Smell the Endless River...kjek1 wrote:it's toothless like a worn out old guy
Oh well, as longtime Barrett fan I'm used to worn out Floyd members.
Smell the Endless River...kjek1 wrote:it's toothless like a worn out old guy
That's one thing about Barrett. He didn't keep sticking around in the marketplace well past his expiration date.Wolfpack wrote: Oh well, as longtime Barrett fan I'm used to worn out Floyd members.
'Animals' is an album of 'Wish You Were Here' outtakes,kjek1 wrote:the endless river? An album of outtakes, similar to TFC really
Waters knew when it was time to stop, when it comes to being original.Kerry King wrote:In the end it was Roger Waters who wore out his welcome with random precision. Ironic, isn't it?
Wolfpack wrote:'Animals' is an album of 'Wish You Were Here' outtakes,kjek1 wrote:the endless river? An album of outtakes, similar to TFC really
more than 'The Final Cut' contains 'The Wall' outtakes...
Isn't 'The Final Cut' the last album on which Pink Floyd and Waters had anything really new to bring?
A clear new concept, only loosely connected to 'The Wall'.
In the album catalogue, the album is clearly identifiable as being the one about war.
Isn't it mostly rehash ever since?
Gilmour learning to fly, having yet another machine, greener grass,
while Waters watches television, cynically preaches about old and new wars.
Waters knew when it was time to stop, when it comes to being original.Kerry King wrote:In the end it was Roger Waters who wore out his welcome with random precision. Ironic, isn't it?
Gilmour knew when it was time to cash in, teaching Waters a lesson in being a golden oldie.
At best, all Floyd and solo albums after 'The Final Cut' are mostly reminders of the "Classic Pink Floyd".
You think so? Those two tracks and Terminal Frost are actually my favorites from AMLoR!!theaussiefloydian wrote:Bob Ezrin needs a good slap for 'One Slip' and 'Yet Another Movie'.
Sadly, yeah. The thing I hate the most is blown potential, and had that album not been produced to sound like a standard 80's record then those two tracks would have been very different beasts. I'll listen to those songs, and sometimes I might enjoy them. But honestly barring the 'A New Machine' tracks, they are the worst produced songs on AMLOR in my opinion. Especially YAM. That one could have been so wonderful... I wish something became of the idea of remixing that album so it sounded more Floydian.danielcaux wrote:You think so?theaussiefloydian wrote:Bob Ezrin needs a good slap for 'One Slip' and 'Yet Another Movie'.
The "outtakes" story comes from Gilmour being bitchy,kjek1 wrote:The final cut on the other hand....well they were left overs not good enough for the wall, and that was a poor album by PF standards, decent Waters solo album though.
Gilmour could be exaggerating.kjek1 wrote:Do you think Gilmour's lying? Or is it more likely as a member of the band he's privy to what were leftovers and what weren't? I mean the Final Cut does sound like a watered down version of The Wall, only even poorer musically.
Two most Waters dominated Floyd albums, "full of fairly weak melodies with practically no bite"? Which ones?kjek1 wrote:I keep hearing how Roger had fangs, he made Pink Floyd rock, yet the two most Waters dominated Floyd record is full of fairly weak melodies with practically no bite. That stuff is garbage compared to what was on Meddle, Dark Side and Wish You Were Here when the band were all chipping in, and it only got worse for him when he actually did go solo.
My mask slips?kjek1 wrote:This is where your mask slips and you go into full on Waters fanboy territory
You're "not alone in thinking that"? Does it matter?kjek1 wrote:The Final Cut is a crap Pink Floyd album in my opinion, and I know I'm not alone in thinking that. It's a an hour of sulking with mediocre tunes. Not Now John is rocky, it's also the worst track on the album and I say that with it being dominated by Gilmour's heavy guitars and vocals.
And you are probably going to tell that Gilmour, Wright and Mason are angles, while Waters is the devil?kjek1 wrote:What did Gilmour do? What could he do? According to he, Nick and Rick, Waters had his full on "my way or the highway" attitude by then. Of course you'll probably tell us that all 3 of them of liars and the egomaniac who promotes himself as "the creative genius" couldnt possibly commandeer the band in such a way
What creative alternatives did they have themselves?kjek1 wrote:To be honest Dave and co probably didn't have a great deal to contribute, why would they? They didn't even want to go down the route of having a political album like that.
I think 'The Wall' is musically one of the best Pink Floyd albums.kjek1 wrote:there's a very clear pattern going from Meddle to TFC, which is that from beyond Wish You Were Here the quality of music receded further and further as Waters really began dominate everything.
'High Hopes' is like revisiting 'Fat Old Sun'.kjek1 wrote:a tune like High Hopes is closer to "classic Floyd" than anything Rogers churned out, except maybe for Smell the roses, but that's just a repackaged Have A Cigar/Dogs so I'm not counting cover songs.
Where are those guys?kjek1 wrote:Anyway you guys that buy into this idea of Waters being the man and the rest merely being there to add a bit of gloss and glitter have probably held that view for decades, and nothing's really going to change your mind, even if all that we know about the band now strongly implies that that's bollocks.