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Before They Were Pink Floyd – A History of the Band Pre Floyd

A brief look at the bands the Pink Floyd members were part of before the Pink Floyd formed and started going places! Feel free to discuss this article on the forum when read.

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Being in the right place at the right time and meeting the right people seems key to success in the music industry. A love of the new music pouring in from the USA in the form of Rhythm and Blues numbers, which allowed young teenagers to rebel against their parents Jazz and classical collections, would have inspired young men the country over to pick up a guitar and form a R&B band!

The death of Roger Barrett’s father and the flying of the nest of his siblings meant that Barrett’s liberal mother allowed up to 30 young people at a time to invade a room in her house to jam and listen to the new music, play guitars and smoke the occasional joint. Barrett was very much a shining beacon on the Cambridge music scene.

Above: Syd Barrett with Those Without in 1964
Below: David Gilmour on performing live with Jokers Wild in the mid 1960s.

Barrett played in his first band Geoff Mott & The Mottoes in Cambridge during the spring of 1962. He then moved on to Those Without from June – September 1963. Meanwhile, David Gilmour played several times in Cambridge in 1962 and 1963 in his first band, The Ramblers, although only playing a couple of shows with them. He went on to play more shows with his second band Chris Ian & The Newcomers and later just The Newcomers when Chris Ian departed. David would then go on to play semi-professionally with Jokers Wild and play quite a few dates around Cambridge as a local hero having taken to the guitar!

The London Scene was also the place where several bands were formed by other members of what would later become Pink Floyd. Nick Mason, Richard Wright and Roger Waters were all based in London and, from Autumn 1963, were playing in various bands. Sigma 6 was up first as a jamming group. This band was put together by Clive Metcalf whilst Nick Mason, Roger Waters and Richard Wright were attending Regent Street Polytechnic. It would then morph into The Abdabs and, occasionally, even The Screaming Abdabs!

It was in Autumn 1964 that Syd Barrett had left Cambridge and had joined his future Pink Floyd band mates to play in the band The Spectrum Five. It would soon become Leonard’s Lodgers as Leonard, landlord to some of the Floyd at the time, had a PA system so was most welcome in the band!

In January 1965, the collection of people currently rehearsing as Leonard’s Lodgers would become one solid unit with varying names such as The Pink Floyd Blues Sound, The Pink Floyd Sound, The Tea Set and, eventually, just The Pink Floyd! It was as this group, after Chris Dennis (vocalist) left Barrett, Waters, Mason, Klose and Wright to their own devices, that they recorded their first demo as The Pink Floyd in the Regent Street Polytechnic during some studio downtime. These three tracks were the cover of a Slim Harpo R&B standard ‘I’m A King Bee’, and three Barrett original compositions ‘Double O Bo’, ‘Butterfly (AKA ‘Flutter By Butterfly’)’ and ‘Lucy Leave’.

An early incarnation of The Pink Floyd with Bob Klose back right.

Bob Klose, who was playing guitar, left the band in the summer of 1965 as his parents were moaning at him due to his lack of commitment to his studies. When term break came, Barrett started his first serious relationship with Lindsay Corner and had his first acid trip in Cambridge with friend Dave Gale. It was liquid LSD 25 dropped haphazardly onto sugar cubes so they took rather large doses! Barrett had hold of a orange, a plum and a matchbox. The fruit represented Venus and Jupiter apparently and Storm Thorgerson would use this story to embelish various works of art in the future!

With the only accomplished musician Bob Klose gone, the rest of the band simply couldn’t compete with all the other bands playing R&B tracks so had to change direction slightly! Extended jams around basic chord structures were one option which they took up much to the delight of the underground scene. These extended jams earnt them much praise from the local music scene and, not too long down the road, from around the world.

So, the Floyd and Syd’s downfall had begun.
Births

1943 September 6th – Roger Waters born Great Bookham, Surrey
1945 January 27th – Nick Mason born
1945 July 28th – Richard Wright born
1946 January 6th – Roger Keith Barrett born
1946 March 6th – David Gilmour born


Bands (Members & Gigs)

 

Geoff Mott & The Mottoes (Cambridge Band)
(Spring, 1962)

Band Members

Roger “Syd” Barrett – Vocals
Geoff Mott – Vocals
Tony Sainty – Bass
Clive Welham – Drums

Performance History

11 March 1962 – Friends Meeting House, Cambridge, England

The Ramblers (Cambridge Band)
(March 1962 – October 1963)

Band Members

Richard Baker – Bass Guitar
David Gilmour – Guitar (in performances marked *)
John Gordon – Rhythm Guitar
Chris Marriot – Vocals
Mervyn Marriot – Guitar
Albie Prior – Guitar
Clive Welham – Drums

Performance History

1962

24 March 1962 – Free Church Hall, Cambridge, England

03 May 1962 – Guildhall, Cambridge, England
12 May 1962 – Free Church Hall, Cambridge, England
25 May 1962 – City Supporters Club, Cambridge, England

08 June 1962 – City Supporters Club, Cambridge, England

20 October 1962 – Free Church Youth Club, Cambridge, England

13 November 1962 – King’s Head, Fen Ditton, Cambridge, England

01 December 1962 – Guildhall, Cambridge, England
15 December 1962 – Fulbourn Hospital, Fulbourn, Cambridge, England

1963

16 February 1963 – Memorial Hall, Great Shelford, Cambridge, England

07 March 1963 – Victoria Ballroom, Cambridge, England

15 April 1963 – Church Hall, Sawston, Cambridge, England*

16 May 1963 – Victoria Ballroom, Cambridge, England*

02 August 1963 – Rex Ballroom, Cambridge, England
17 August 1963 – Victoria Ballroom, Cambridge, England

12 October 1963 – Village Hall, Harston, Cambridge, England

 

Chris Ian & The Newcomers (Cambridge Band)
(January – March 1963)

Band Members

Barney Barnes – Rhythm Guitar
Roger Bibby – Bass Guitar
Chris Ian Culpin – Drums
David Gilmour – Guitar, Vocals
Ken Waterson – Vocals


Performances

1963

26 January 1963 – Memorial Hall, Fulbourn, Cambridge, England

16 March 1963 – Guildhall, Cambridge, England
23 March 1963 – Village Hall, Dry Drayton, Cambridge, England
The Newcomers (Cambridge Band)
(April – October 1963)

Band Members

Barney Barnes – Rhythm Guitar
Roger Bibby – Bass Guitar
David Gilmour – Guitar, Vocals
Kenny Lennon – Vocals (performances marked *)
Johnny Philips – Vocals
Ken Waterson – Vocals
Willie Wilson – Drums


Performances

1963

04 May 1963 – Guildhall, Cambridge, England
25 May 1963 – Village Hall, Trumpington, Cambridge, England*
27 May 1963 – St Andrew’s Baptist Hall, Cambridge, England*

08 June 1963 – Rex Ballroom, Cambridge, England

03 August 1963 – Rex Ballroom, Cambridge, England
24 August 1963 – Rex Ballroom, Cambridge, England

05 October 1963 – Rex Ballroom, Cambridge, England

Those Without (Cambridge Band)
(June – September 1963)

Band Members

Roger “Syd” Barrett – Bass Guitar
Steve Pyle – Drums
Alan Sizer – Guitar, Vocals
Smudge – Guitar

Performances

1963

16 June 1963 – Congregational Church Youth Club, Cambridge, England

12 September 1963 – Chestnut College, Cambridge, England

The Hollerin’ Blues
(July 1964)

Band Members

Barney Barnes – Keyboard, Electric Piano, Vocals
Roger “Syd” Barrett – Guitar
Peter Glass – Harmonica
Steve Pyle – Drums
Ken Waterson – Vocals, Maracas, Harmonica

Performances

1964

July 1964 – Masonic Hall, Cambridge, England
July 1964 – Victoria Road Congregational Church Hall, Cambridge, England
July 1964 – Footlights Club, Cambridge, England

Jokers Wild (Cambridge Band)
(October 1964 to 1966)

Band Members

David Altham – Guitar, Saxophone, Keyboards, Vocals
David Gilmour – Guitar, Vocals, Harmonica
John Gordon – Rhythm Guitar, Vocals
Tony Sainty – Bass, Vocals (left in 1966)
Clive Welham – Drums, Vocals (to mid 1966)
Peter Gilmour – Bass Guitar, Vocals (early 1966 onwards)
Willie Wilson – Drums (mid 1966 onwards)


Performances

1964

14 October 1964 – Les Jeux Interdits, Victoria Ballroom, Cambridge, England

1965

13 January 1965 – Les Jeux Interdits, Victoria Ballroom, Cambridge, England
20 January 1965 – Les Jeux Interdits, Victoria Ballroom, Cambridge, England
28 January 1965 – Les Jeux Interdits, Victoria Ballroom, Cambridge, England
30 January 1965 – Dorothy Ballroom, Cambridge, England

13 February 1965 – Dorothy Ballroom, Cambridge, England
19 February 1965 – Caius College Valentine Ball, Guildhall & Corn Exchange, Cambridge, England
22 February 1965 – Old English Gentlemen, Cambridge, England
24 February 1965 – Dorothy Ballroom, Cambridge, England

26 March 1965 – The Racehorse, Cambridge, England

5 May 1965 – Les Jeux Interdits, Victoria Ballroom, Cambridge, England
12 May 1965 – Les Jeux Interdits, Victoria Ballroom, Cambridge, England
19 May 1965 – Les Jeux Interdits, Victoria Ballroom, Cambridge, England

2 June 1965 – Les Jeux Interdits, Victoria Ballroom, Cambridge, England

5 June 1965 – Dorothy Ballroom, Cambridge, England
15 June 1965 – Peterhouse College May Ball, Peterhouse College, Cambridge, England
30 June 1965 – Les Jeux Interdits, Victoria Ballroom, Cambridge, England

3 July 1965 – Dorothy Ballroom, Cambridge, England
6 July 1965 – Les Jeux Interdits, Victoria Ballroom, Cambridge, England

1 September 1965 – Les Jeux Interdits, Victoria Ballroom, Cambridge, England
8 September 1965 – Les Jeux Interdits, Victoria Ballroom, Cambridge, England

12 November 1965 – Bassingbourn Village College, Bassingbourn, Cambridge, England
19 November 1965 – Shadow Ball, Victoria Ballroom, Cambridge, England
26 November 1965 – Comberton College, Cambridge, England

00 Unknown 1965 – The Pit Club, Cambridge University, Cambridge, England
00 Unknown 1965 – Byam Shaw School of Art, Campden Hill, Notting Hill Gate, London (with Pink Floyd!!)
00 Unknown 1965 – Great Shelford, Cambridge, England

Sigma 6 (London Band)
(Autumn 1963)

This band was put together by Clive Metcalf whilst Nick, Roger and Richard Wright were attending Regent Street Polytechnic.

Band Members

Nick Mason – Drums
Roger Waters – Guitar
Richard Wright – Rhythm Guitar, piano, organ and brass
Clive Metcalf – Bass Guitar
Keith Noble – Vocals
Sheilagh Noble – Occasional backing vocals
Vernon Thompson – Rhythm Guitar

Performances

The band made a number of undocumented appearances at various informal parties.
The Abdabs (The Screaming Abdabs) (London Band)
(Spring-Summer 1964)


Band Members

Juliette Gale – Vocals
Nick Mason – Drums
Clive Metcalf – Bass
Keith Noble – Vocals
Roger Waters – Guitar
Richard Wright – Rhythm Guitar
Performances

00-00-1964 – The Marquee, Soho, London. They played as extras in an unidentified film.

The band also played at various private parties but never played any other music venues. They rehearsed at Regent Street Polytechnic often in addition to the flat of Mike Leonard much to the annoyance of the neighbours!

The Spectrum Five (London Band)
(Autumn 1964)

The Band

Roger “Syd” Barrett – Vocals, Rhythm Guitar
Bob Klose – Guitar, harmonica, vocals
Nick Mason – Drums
Roger Waters – Bass, vocals
Richard Wright – Keyboards, Vocals
Performances

02 March 1964 – Beat City, Oxford Street, London
03 March 1964 – Beat City, Oxford Street, London
00 Unknown 1964 – Camberwell Art School, London
Leonard’s Lodgers (London Band)
(Winter 1964)

Band Members

Roger “Syd” Barrett – Vocals, Rhythm Guitar
Bob Klose – Guitar, harmonica, vocals
Mike Leonard – Occasional Keyboards
Nick Mason – Drums
Roger Waters – Bass, vocals


Performances

None Documented

The Pink Floyd Blues Band / The Tea Set / The Pink Floyd
(January – Winter 1965)

The group of people below played a handful of gigs together changing their name when the situation required it! They recorded once under the name The Tea Set material which has not yet been unearthed. They also recorded a 7 inch acetate single featuring un-released songs Lucy Leave and King Bee.

Band Members

Roger “Syd” Barrett – Rhythm Guitar, Vocals
Nick Mason – Drums
Roger Waters – Bass, Vocals
Richard Wright – Keyboards, Saxophone, vocals
Bob Klose – Guitar, Harmonica, Vocals (left in summer)
Chris Dennis – Vocals (in January only)
Performances

00 February 1965 – Count Down, Palace Gate, Kensington, London

22 May 1965 – Summer Dance, Homerton College, Cambridge, England

26 June 1965 – Melody Maker National Beat Contest, Wimbledon Palais, Wimbledon, London
26 June 1965 – Beat Contest, The Country Club, Belsize Park, London

00 Unknown 1965 – Byam Shaw School of Art, Campden Hill, Notting Hill Gate, London (with Jokers Wild playing inside an enormous bird cage!).

00 Unknown 1965 – Great Shelford, Cambridgeshire, England (At Storm Thorgerson and Libby January’s engagement party with Jokers Wild and Paul Simon).
Bibliography

Inside Out – A Personal History of Pink Floyd by Nick Mason
Pink Floyd In The Flesh – The Complete Performance History by Glen Povey and Ian Russell
The Rough Guide To Pink Floyd – Toby Manning

Roger Waters In The Flesh DVD Review By Andrew Beale

Roger Waters: In The Flesh DVD Front Cover

“Returning from a 12-year long hiatus from the road, Roger Waters’ In The Flesh concert tours were a showcase of his best known work from his days with Pink Floyd to his recently released solo album Amused to Death. The In the Flesh tour was a massive, worldwide undertaking by Waters that spanned three individual tours over the course of three years (1999, 2000, and 2002). The title is an allusion to the 1977 Pink Floyd tour for the Animals album, as well as the two songs so titled on the album The Wall.” – Wikipedia

Sound:

Roger is sounding great. His voice sounds a lot better in my opinion than it did during the Wall shows. The tones are always perfect, and sound effects are cued in at exactly the right time (unlike during his current tour when the sound manager tends to fall asleep). Roger uses a surround sound system at his concert so sound comes at you in every direction, and he brings this into your living room or mantown with Dolby 5.1. His crew includes the usual talented musicians who usually play with Roger and Pink Floyd, Andy Fairweather-Low, Snowy White, Jon Carin, and Graham Broad. He is also working with Doyle Bramhall II on guitars, Andy Wallace on Hammond, and PP Arnold and Katie Kissoon and Susannah Melvoin doing backup singing. Doyle Bramhall II is a great guitarist through all of his criticism by many Pink Floyd fans, mainly because they compare him to David Gilmour. Sound is perfect, ten out of ten.
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Content:

01. In The Flesh – The DVD Starts out with a little behind the scenes look at the performers chilling before the show starts. After this little segment is over there is a fade out and you start to hear the crowd going wild. A cool graphic comes up and reads “Roger Waters In The Flesh”. The song is performed particularly well, and at once you can tell that Roger is relying heavily on female vocalists. The crowd is either full of fans or somebody started doing it and everyone followed along, but everyone formed an X with their hands (If only they did that at the 2006 concerts). Graphics of the marching hammers are shown in the background. At this point the show is off to a very good start.

02. The Happiest Days Of Our Lives – After In The Flesh ends, You hear a crying baby like at the end of In the Flesh?, then the helicopter. Roger uses his delay pedal during this one, while on most occasions he doesn’t. There isn’t much to rave about this song, its definitely one of the most overplayed of the Pink Floyd songs so its very familiar to anyone when they listen to it. Images of the teacher and his psychopathic wife are shown.

03. Another Brick In The Wall (Part 2) – As most people already know, Another Brick comes in. The performance of this is very good. Roger sings the first verse, the ladies and the crowd take care of the second. Doyle plays a solo, followed by Snowy. Then they sing the verses another time which surprised me. I never heard a concert before this when they repeated the verses a total of three times. That surprise got me hooked in to hear any other surprises the concert may bring.

04. Mother – Roger thanks everyone for coming and comes out with his acoustic guitar. He starts playing Mother. This performance is ace! Roger plays the acoustic beautifully, and Katie Kissoon sang the chorus amazingly. When Roger sings “Mother should I trust the government?” the makes a little face, either meaning he didn’t like the government or that the fans applauding of the line made him angry because they didn’t understand the meaning. Great version that got great applause.

05. Get Your Filthy Hands Off My Desert – There is a sound of an explosion and many colored lights strobe. There are many fans who don’t like the Final Cut, but I do and was glad that he added some songs from it to the set list.

06. Southampton Dock – Another good performance of a song from The Final Cut.

07. Pigs On The Wing (Part 1) – This is where I got excited. He was going to play a song from Animals, my favorite Pink Floyd album at the time. This acoustic performance played by Roger led to my favorite song off of Animals, Dogs.

08. Dogs – Jon Carin plays the acoustic and sings vocals. Doyle Bramhall plays great solos, very different than Gilmour’s on the album which is a good thing in my opinion. Roger looks like he is having a great time on stage. During the keyboard solo the guys gather around the table and play hearts, while the ladies sit and have a drink. It is just Jon and Graham playing during this. After the solo is over Roger comes and starts singing “Gotta admit…” which is my favorite part of the song. Overall this was a wonderful performance of a very underrated song.

09. Welcome To The Machine – I love this version of Welcome to the Machine. Andy Fairweather-Low plays the bass and it seems like he rewrote the bass line because it is very different to the album version, a lot better that is (I want a tab! Anyone?).

10. Wish You Were Here – I hate to admit it but Wish You Were Here was the biggest disappointment on the whole entire DVD. Doyle plays the intro on his electric, a very bad move, especially with that horrible reverb. Snowy’s intro solo is very good, and the chorus is pretty good. Then it comes to the horrible chorus. He changed it to “Ohhhhh…how I wish you were here” and “And I wish that you were here”. I usually pass this one by while I am watching. If I wanted to listen to a good version of Wish You Were here I would put in PULSE.

11. Shine On You Crazy Diamond (Parts 1-8) – Great performance. I love the extended version instead of the 1-5 break 6-9 stuff. I love it all together. At the end he dedicates those last two songs played to Syd.

12. Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun – I never really paid much attention to this song when I listen to my Pink Floyd stuff but now I have a whole new liking for it. Snowy plays an incredible solo, and the sax player plays beautifully. This song is also a song which that really induces the pot use at the concerts.

13. Breathe In The Air – The heartbeat sounds and in comes Breathe. Jon Carin plays the lap-steel intro. Doyle is singing during the Darks Side songs and his nasally voice will drive some people insane, but it isn’t that bad once you get used to it. The song was performed very well.

14. Time – The chiming sounds start up and Roger starts making his tick-tock noise with his bass. Andy plays the bass during the verses and Roger plays the chorus. This is where we start to see Doyle showing off. He makes many various facial expressions, kinda like he is having a hernia. At least the guitar solo was good. Breathe reprise kicked in and Roger played a cool variation of bass line. It has been a very good performance of the Dark Side masterpieces thus far.

15. Money – Money is great on this DVD. Doyle Bramhall is singing yet again. Andy Fairweather-Low plays an interesting solo, and the camera shows a guy who really digs it and points at Andy constantly. Another good performance.

16. Pros & Cons Of Hitch Hiking Part 11 (a.k.a. 5:06 AM-Every Strangers Eyes) – I have always been a fan of Roger’s solo work. This is one of his best. Andy plays the lead guitar. Very powerful song.

17. Perfect Sense (Parts 1 & 2) – This is my favorite of Roger’s solo material. It starts off with the “Stop Dave”s and Jon Carin’s beautiful piano intro. Roger isn’t playing in instrument during this one, just standing and acting out to the lyrics he sings. PP Arnold yet again blasts out a tremendous vocal solo. Part two starts, and we get the commentary yet again. The crowd goes wild when Roger walks around and sings with the audience. This is one of the greatest moments on the DVD

18. The Bravery Of Being Out Of Range – Another great solo song of Roger’s, and he is playing a red strat. I love the message this song gives. All those high ranking government officials sitting all safe while all the people under them are at war and dying.

19. It’s A Miracle – Jon Carin comes in with another piano intro. The crowd is swaying back and forth to the beautiful sound of the keys. Roger yet again isn’t brandishing an instrument. A great song performed perfectly. I particularly like the little guitar solo at the end.

20. Amused To Death – The song that the album was named after. It begins with Roger shining a flashlight into the audience, adding an interesting effect. Roger picks up his bass again and starts playing the song. It is played perfectly. Roger is very emotional during this song I have noticed. He is especially emotional when the man is talking in the background.

21. Brain Damage – I knew this song was coming. There never can be a concert without it. Andy is playing the lead guitar. Am I the only one to notice this, or does Roger throw his hands in the air and the bass can still be heard. It is probably just one of the keyboards. Besides that it is a very good rendition of the song.

22. Eclipse – The song played just as good as Brain Damage. A perfect song to close an album or even a concert for that matter. However this isn’t the end of the concert, we all know what’s next.

23. Comfortably Numb – Roger is surprisingly not playing bass on this, but a guitar. It got me hoping he might do a solo. This song is performed pretty well. My only beef (and mostly everyone else’s) is the ending guitar solo. They are performed pretty well, but it isn’t fluid. They switch from the strat to the Les Paul and the immense tone difference makes the solo very choppy. They should have at least made the tones similar so it sounded like one guitar.

24. Each Small Candle – Roger introduces us to his new solo song. It is a little boring. It is very quiet, with the instruments turned pretty far down. The lyrics are creative however. Andy has a cool electric-acoustic guitar solo. At the end of the song Roger holds out his cigarette lighter and shows everyone the flickering flame. The concert was then over, they showed the band members in a little picture credits segment. Then they showed the band bowing and leaving the stage, leading into another set of credits.
I love the set list. It includes many songs from underrated Pink Floyd albums such as Animals and The Final Cut. The only cons in my opinion are that there could have been more solo songs and that there should have been way more bonus features then were available (a documentary on the tours preparation, a gallery of images, and band bios). When I buy a DVD I expect enough features to keep me occupied for a while after I watch the concert a few times. Those cons and the Comfortably Numb and Wish You Were Here disappointments are enough to make me push the rating down to eight.
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Production Quality:

The DVD was recorded perfectly. The camera is on the right person at the right time, and shows everyone numerous times. The sound is perfect, it sounds like you are actually there. The solos, effects, and vocals were on the most part very good. The menus are easy to navigate. Only bad thing here is the unnecessary opening series of images, including a pic of a backstage pass.
// 9

Impression:

The most impressive thing about this DVD is the beautiful sound quality, which makes it sound like you are really there. I love Rogers’ energy on the stage; he always gets into his music and releases that energy into the audience. That’s what makes a Waters concert great and worth seeing! As I mentioned before what I don’t like about the DVD is that there aren’t that many features and I would have liked more Waters solo material in the setlist. Overall this is a great DVD and is definitely worth buying.
// 9

Overall Score // 9