I wholeheartedly agree.
The music however... hm
Roger missed his calling as a folk singer. No one has really ever cared about Bob Dylan's music or the scale of his shows; it's all about the delivery and the strength of the writing, which is how Roger has always wanted his work to be judged - but then he piles on the Andrew Lloyd Webber production and spoils it.
I didn't mean to put it in the folk category, but more like an almost stripped-down (acoustic guitar with an instrument ere and there and a bit of full band) album of songs that carry a theme.ZiggyZipgun wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 1:02 pmRoger missed his calling as a folk singer. No one has really ever cared about Bob Dylan's music or the scale of his shows; it's all about the delivery and the strength of the writing, which is how Roger has always wanted his work to be judged - but then he piles on the Andrew Lloyd Webber production and spoils it.
Well, this album really is the one that is AKA The Division Bell... it's musically divisive xD
I've said before that I think he should've paired up with the remaining members of The Band after Robbie Robertson quit, and let Gilmour Mason Wright get on with it. I don't think any of them would've put up with his shit though.
Roger heard you through time and made up for this by inviting some of The Band to play in BerlinZiggyZipgun wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 11:39 pmI've said before that I think he should've paired up with the remaining members of The Band after Robbie Robertson quit, and let Gilmour Mason Wright get on with it.
Yeah, but it was mostly terrible, and even more so because Richard Manuel was dead by then. They only interacted very briefly before and after the show, which is also sad because they'd shared the bill at least once back in 1970. I'm not even sure having them in Berlin was Roger's idea, because most of the other artists were brought in by Tony Hollingsworth, after everyone Roger initially invited turned him down (including Eric Clapton). That whole event was a mess.
1. Not terrible to me, but silly. I mean, I would have never given them (The Band) to sing Mother THOSE harmonies.ZiggyZipgun wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:15 am1. Yeah, but it was mostly terrible.
2. That whole event was a mess.
I haven't listened to the whole album, but the Berlin version of "Comfortably Numb" appeared on the film The Departed and I have to say it's my least favourite recording of that song I've ever heard. It's kind of awful.
I agree - and I love Van Morrison, and I might even go so far as to say that he is a stronger songwriter than Roger Waters.theaussiefloydian wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:18 pm I haven't listened to the whole album, but the Berlin version of "Comfortably Numb" appeared on the film The Departed and I have to say it's my least favourite recording of that song I've ever heard. It's kind of awful.
The fact that it effectively made a charity go bankrupt is kind of historic, coupled with Roger's refusal to tone down the PTSD-triggering elements that would harm the very same people they were trying to raise money for, at the organizer's request...yeah it was bad.
I. My thresholds are quite hard to reach - it takes a lot to make me call something whether awesome or terrible.ZiggyZipgun wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:05 amI. I agree - and I love Van Morrison, and I might even go so far as to say that he is a stronger songwriter than Roger Waters.theaussiefloydian wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:18 pm I haven't listened to the whole album, but the Berlin version of "Comfortably Numb" appeared on the film The Departed and I have to say it's my least favourite recording of that song I've ever heard. It's kind of awful.
II. The fact that it effectively made a charity go bankrupt is kind of historic, coupled with Roger's refusal to tone down the PTSD-triggering elements that would harm the very same people they were trying to raise money for, at the organizer's request...yeah it was bad.
I'm afraid not. As wonderfully depicted in Michael Kamen's "I must not fuck sheep" story, Roger has committed some fantastic vocal performances to tape, but they all took countless takes to get a good one. This was true of "Shine On You Crazy Diamond", it was one of their reasons for building Britannia Row, and it's why Roger tracked the vocals for The Final Cut in his home studio. I'm fairly certain this is why some tracks have never been performed live, and others clearly used pre-recorded vocals. Again, I readily admit being bitter about him lip-syncing "Every Stranger's Eyes" when I saw him at the tender age of 15, but he did the same thing in 1984; he's never actually sung it live. I have more respect for his lockdown renditions, but in no way do they compare to the studio recordings.
What's wrong with Bowie?
God I'd forgotten about that. Kamen's nerves must have been shot to buggery by then.ZiggyZipgun wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 12:55 am As wonderfully depicted in Michael Kamen's "I must not fuck sheep" story