If Syd never left Pink Floyd

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Re: If Syd never left Pink Floyd

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Maybe we would have had a Pink Floyd in which Barrett is the only original member. :lol:
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Re: If Syd never left Pink Floyd

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If Syd wanted to stay in the music business, but step away from the limelight he could become a producer.

I'm thinking along the lines of Brian Eno & John Cale here - hooking up with some off-kilter acts in the mid-late 1970s & encouraging a new generation of psychedelia / art-rock.
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Re: If Syd never left Pink Floyd

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flippikat wrote:If Syd wanted to stay in the music business, but step away from the limelight he could become a producer.

I'm thinking along the lines of Brian Eno & John Cale here - hooking up with some off-kilter acts in the mid-late 1970s & encouraging a new generation of psychedelia / art-rock.
'The Damned' tried to recruit Syd Barrett to produce their second album "Music for Pleasure"(1977), but Syd was not interested. Instead, the album was produced by Nick Mason.
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Re: If Syd never left Pink Floyd

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flippikat wrote:If Syd wanted to stay in the music business, but step away from the limelight he could become a producer.
Fact is, Syd didn't want to stay in the music business. Even his solo albums were pushed by the publishers and management, and his reluctance is more than obvious not only in numerous outtakes but in albums as well. However full of beautiful little gems, both Syd's solo albums showcase a lead man who just doesn't care about anything at all (his music in the least bit) and a bunch of musicians and producers trying to tie too many loose ends together because he just didn't care any more.
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Re: If Syd never left Pink Floyd

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Hudini wrote:
flippikat wrote:If Syd wanted to stay in the music business, but step away from the limelight he could become a producer.
Fact is, Syd didn't want to stay in the music business. Even his solo albums were pushed by the publishers and management, and his reluctance is more than obvious not only in numerous outtakes but in albums as well. However full of beautiful little gems, both Syd's solo albums showcase a lead man who just doesn't care about anything at all (his music in the least bit) and a bunch of musicians and producers trying to tie too many loose ends together because he just didn't care any more.
Fair point. The solo albums certainly show that his enthusiasm for making music was waning. I think that the premise of this thread ("What if Syd never left Pink Floyd?") depends on him not losing his drive to be part of the music industry - and that would require some major changes to tue events of 1967.

If we assume that 1967 pans out differently to our timeline & Syd remains focused and engaged in Pink Floyd - the question then becomes "How does he handle the change in scene from psychedelia in the late 1960s, to a diverse palette in the early 1970s?". My thought was that if he was unwilling or unable to come up with any new songs post-1970, he might gravitate towards production as a way to remain in the creative 'loop'.
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Re: If Syd never left Pink Floyd

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I personally feel that if Syd was kind of "with it" and the Floyd were still together they would've split up around 1973.

Waters would have wanted to progress past what Syd would've been capable of doing, they would have fallen out due to "creative differences".

There are a lot of what if's when we speculate what Syd would've gone on to do had he been more stable and together. In my opinion, I think Syd would've been a more Proto-punk figure. I think Saucerful could've been a greater LP had the tracks he'd been working on, plus the finished versions of STLS and Vegetable Man been included and I think heading into 1970, Floyd may have gone into a direction akin to Hawkwind and had there still been a more pop element to Syd's writing, I think they would've been kind of like The Soft Boys (who were totally inspired by Syd anyway).

I'd like to think that a Syd Barrett 1972/3 Floyd would be creating proto-punk gems.

I can't really see any Bowie/Bolan vibe in what Syd would've done, in fact I reckon Syd probably would've hated Bowie's music although you can hear especially with T-Rex that Bolan did take some of Syd's fairy dust so to speak, I think some of T-Rex may have been what Syd would've gone on to do.

I can't imagine Waters sticking around had the Floyd continued with Syd, the guy even in some of those 67 interviews just seemed like a really "full on" personality, the guy is a control freak.

People often state they feel Syd would've gone onto to doing Emerson, Lake and Palmer stuff, which I just can't see, Syd was a non-conformist in the earliest days of Floyd and I think he would've hated what was happening in the Prog would.

I'd like to believe that Syd would have liked what occurred in 76 when Sex Pistols hit the scene.
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Re: If Syd never left Pink Floyd

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DrHypnotic wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:05 am I can't really see any Bowie/Bolan vibe in what Syd would've done, in fact I reckon Syd probably would've hated Bowie's music although you can hear especially with T-Rex that Bolan did take some of Syd's fairy dust so to speak, I think some of T-Rex may have been what Syd would've gone on to do.
I can see the T. Rex comparison based on the of the Madcap Laughs tracks that feature The Soft Machine, but when Gilmour took over production he thought those versions lost the "Barrett-ness" of the songs and had him re-record some of them. T. Rex leaned a little too hard on the Barrett influence - Marc even married Syd's ex-girlfriend - but Bowie's obsession continued well into the late '70s, with him using their old Farfisa on Low.

But if the question is what if Syd never left Pink Floyd, then the real question would be whether or not Dave would've been involved. Not only were they already friends that had played together, but both were also good friends with The Soft Machine and Humble Pie, so it's hard to tell how the band's sound would've evolved after UFO shut down and everyone gave up the trippy clothes. Atom Heart Mother was a #1 album, and Barrett meshes in there perfectly, so I don't think they would've had any trouble coming up with material or doing well. Roger wouldn't have been under any pressure to write more, and would be content with his Rickenbacker and slide whistle.
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Re: If Syd never left Pink Floyd

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I Syd had never left the Floyd, than Gabriel-era Genesis would be my favorite band right now.