New Syd Footage?

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How much would you donate to a Kickstarter funding the release of new Syd Floyd concert footage?

$0
2
22%
$0-5
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$5-10
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11%
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$20-50
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22%
$100+
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44%
 
Total votes: 9

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by RichardB » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:15 pm

I spoke with Flame a while back and here is what she said. She NEVER said the footage did not exist, she simply was not sure, and it sounds like it may very well exist.

Everyone asks about the outtakes. You're talking 42 years ago! I have no idea. I would tend to think they've been lost destroyed long long ago. There's probably no one who could say definitively. But storage would imply that someone paid for storage and that's so highly unlikely. Someone would need to go back to the whatever chaos was happening when the distribution arm of Leacock-Pennebaker went bankrupt whenever that may have been. and search...in NY.

Regarding the Floyd. I had no idea of the importance of who was playing as they probably weren't so very famous then and the whole scene wasn't intended to document the Floyd but to follow our character Sharon going dancing at a club to a cool band.

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by RichardB » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:40 am

I just talked to Flame and she is not really sure about the footage. Hopefully our friend will be successful tracking it down through some miracle. It might be out there, though the problem is that the movie company went bankrupt and someone would have had to pay to store all the footage in question.
I actually wrote to Flame today and she got back to me pretty fast, also nice to hear she is doing well. She seems like a very nice person.

nice to hear from you.
I think that the talk on the forums is based on very little. Someone has been emailing me and all I can basically tell that person is that I really don't know and it doesn't seem very likely. I think if they should exist, however, I ought to be the owner of those rights, as Sheldon is long dead and he and I made the film together.
All bests to you,
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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by RichardB » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:45 am

re whether her recordings still survive, whatever there is (if anything) that remains in existence is at that location. I’m going to spend the next couple weeks trying to gain access to this storage facility to see if her footage is still around. If it turns out that it is, then I’ll make it my top priority to try and launch a Kickstarter funding its release. Before I go further, however, I would like to know how much you would be willing to donate to this crowdfunding effort if all goes well and my project gets off the ground. I’ll make sure to update you as I get new information and my search progresses. Until then, here’s the sole portion of Flame’s material that has entered public circulation:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V799HqAgxXY
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I hope you can find it, it's pretty much a holly grail, but hey you never know. It's certainly worth a try. I talked to Flame today and I am glad that you are at least perusing it cause for all we know the footage could be in there someplace. I am not holding my breath, but let's keep our fingers crossed anyway.

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by hallucalation » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:55 am

Re-1966 recordings.

Marquee tape was mentioned in Pigs Might Fly book.
1966-04-13 Spontaneous Underground gig - from Mark Blake's peerless 'Pigs Might Fly' Page 56: "I remember seeing a guy called Ian Somerville, who was a friend of William Burroughs, sat in the booth at the Marquee with headphones on the whole time. Nobody knows what became of that tape."

Same with CBC tape. To me it's all amounts to unsubstantial rumours. There was probably tons of tapes that was lying around in 66-67 but which was later misplaced, got lost and so on. Until someone proves that it is exist - i'm not convinced by it.

I don't have definitive thoughs about Dope outtakes but have i feeling that it will came to absolutely nothing.

I can say that silent outtakes from UFO club from filming Die Jungen Nachtwandler are still exist. But they are totally impossible to get.

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by RichardB » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:39 am

The CBC tapes should be in the vault, I actually spoke to Nancy Bacal the other day , by e mail, and she told me that CBC said they had no record and that it was probably destroyed, but how would they know it was destroyed with no record? Sounds likely, but I would put it down as MIA.
How do you know about the Jungen Nachtwandler out takes, and why are they only silent when their was audio for the film? Would be curious to hear any other details about the film and director as not much is known about it. Thanks
Not sure how you all feel, but I am mostly interested in mid 66 to mid 67 Syd Barrett Pink Floyd material.
I am not too fond of any of the shows from Sept 67 up to Dec 67 as their live sound changed quite a bit and in some ways became more conventional sounding. There was a big difference from the days of Astronomy Dom, Interstellar, Lucifer Sam , and Scream thigh last scream and the Jun Band Blues era, it is very disappointing that only those later shows have been found, though there is ONE amazing performance from Dec 67 where they were playing in their brilliant "way out " style, referring to the footage from "Tomorrows World" filmed at Mike Leonard's house.
I got some cool silent footage from the documentary " got that Ant " though I assume most of you have that too. everyday Almost everyday I search the internet for some news of new Floyd Footage, that is how I found this post actually. Well maybe something will happen, but yeah I am not expecting much from this DOPE footage search, BUT it is certainly worth a try and I am glad that someone is taking the initiative, you never know what is out there.

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by hallucalation » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:13 pm

>The CBC tapes should be in the vault, I actually spoke to Nancy Bacal the other day , by e mail, and she told me that CBC said they had no record and that it was probably destroyed, but how would they know it was destroyed with no record? Sounds likely, but I would put it down as MIA.

I think CBS only have original "master" broadcast 1966 tape.

Die Jungen Nachtwandler raw trims are silent because audio was captured separately as always. And you can see that they put totally random audio from PF gig over their footage. I can't speak much about origins of my information but it is in the the vault of well known rock group (not PF) and archivist of that vault confirmed it.

>I am not too fond of any of the shows from Sept 67 up to Dec 67 as their live sound changed quite a bit and in some ways became more conventional sounding.

How do you know unless you had been himself at those early gigs?

>I got some cool silent footage from the documentary " got that Ant " though I assume most of you have that too.

From BBC rebroadcast?

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by RichardB » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:28 am

Forgive me for any typos, I was playing poker all day and am exhausted. I know how they sounded live in the early days the same way you do, from the available UFO Club footage, and also the live stuff filmed at Sound Technique studios, as well as the CBC stuff that was taped live by Mrs Bacal.
We can also tell hear a pretty radical change in the studio recordings. Scream thy last scream, and Vegetable Man, as well as Apple's and Oranges are not even close to the stuff they did on Piper, though I think the song Bike showed that Syd was moving in that direction, and that was one of the last songs recorded for Piper. Norman Smith did an awful job. That version of Interstellar Overdrive is a mess with the different versions mixed together. Some of the songs were done well, but over all it was a very disappointing record, and Pete Townshend and most of the UFO club people were very disappointed as well. Norman Smith did not even like Pink Floyd. I really despise him for ruining that record, though it could have been far worse.
Just my opinions, though I feel very strongly about them and I hope I do not sound like I am trying to force my views on others.

I am guessing that the band that owns that footage might be The Who, cause Pete was a huge Syd Barrett Pink Floyd fan, but just guessing, though might make sense if that band was from Germany.

Maybe they have the sound reals too? Would certainly hope so.

Back to how Pink Floyd sounded live, I would be that they played differently in the UFO club and London, than they did outside of London where people were throwing bottles at them and stuff, but probably not too much different, as Syd was an artist and I doubt he would stand for that. Roger said they flat out refused to play Emily and Arnold most of the time. lol
I believe that the biggest change to Barrett's playing came with the Wah Wah Pedal, personally I liked his sound better without it. Love what Hendrix and Clapton did with the Wah however.

I am sure they had some great performances, that were live in late 67 too, cause the A" Tomorrows World stuff, with their version of Green Onions, and that other cool song, are absolutely incredible. Syd had it to the end, though from all accounts it was a disaster most of the time by late 67, The Christmas on Earth and America tour are perfect examples. Even their last UFO performance in July of 67 was supposed to be a disaster. That was the same day that Soft Machine was filmed, in color, doing the poem for Hoppy. Soft Machine is playing the Pink Floyd's instruments as well.

I got he Aunt footage on a Syd Barrett Facebook page, the same one that was the extension of sydbarrettpinkfloyd dot com, though it has since been removed from the page, probably for copyright. I do have the clips though of the footage, it is color too.

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by motorbreat10 » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:53 am

^^^

Do you have any rare song or footage from pink floyd in the early years? If you have it, can you pass to me something? please!!
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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by hallucalation » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:58 pm

motorbreat10 wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:53 am
^^^

Do you have any rare song or footage from pink floyd in the early years? If you have it, can you pass to me something? please!!
No, but i do have about 10 hours of Beatles playing punk rock in Hamburg circa 1961. Stereo soundboard.

.. just joking

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by hallucalation » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:17 pm

As for Norman Smith producing Piper.. I'll bet almost everyone had fallen in love with Syd or early Floyd via listening Piper which he produced. I'll bet no one had thoughs (first time) that this album is really good but production sucks. He did the best what he could trying to condense Floyd chaotic improvisation into some kind of cohesive statement. You can always listen to AMM LP instead.. or first Soft Machine album from 1968 which is their concert set bare-bones.

Back to UFO disaster, Soft Machine footage is from 2 June 67, not July. But Floyd indeed recieved negative review from IT for that gig

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by motorbreat10 » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:36 pm

hallucalation wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:58 pm
motorbreat10 wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:53 am
^^^

Do you have any rare song or footage from pink floyd in the early years? If you have it, can you pass to me something? please!!
No, but i do have about 10 hours of Beatles playing punk rock in Hamburg circa 1961. Stereo soundboard.

.. just joking
The question was for richard b.

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by Haight Trashbury » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:53 pm

Quick update:

I still haven’t contacted the storage facility with the reels in it, but I will over the weekend. I’m still pretty sure that Jack Henry Moore had a recording since, even though he didn’t have any FILM stuff in 1967, I’m pretty sure he had a cheap video camera. Correct me if I’m wrong. It was mentioned that Moore taped Syd on some pretty major news sites, although you can never tell with this stuff. Maybe it was destroyed at some point; I don’t know.

...The reason why I think the DOPE recordings (most likely) still exists is because it was produced by the Rochlins, independently, and they were pretty good with saving their stuff. Leacock-Pennebaker was in charge of funding and distributing the film, and did nothing else. Furthermore, it would make no business sense for Leacock-Pennebaker to take charge of the outtakes since there was no commercial demand for those sorts of things back in the sixties, and there would be no reason for a business to spend all that money storing film that it wouldn’t be able to use.

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by hallucalation » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:59 pm

Haight Trashbury wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:53 pm
I still haven’t contacted the storage facility with the reels in it, but I will over the weekend. I’m still pretty sure that Jack Henry Moore had a recording since, even though he didn’t have any FILM stuff in 1967, I’m pretty sure he had a cheap video camera. Correct me if I’m wrong. It was mentioned that Moore taped Syd on some pretty major news sites, although you can never tell with this stuff. Maybe it was destroyed at some point; I don’t know.
I can almost 99% sure that all supposed Jack Moore UFO footage is total lies and bullshit.
1) because he didn't had any decent (or any) film equipment at all until December 1968 until John & Yoko gave him enough money to buy proper equipment and he started filming underground events. The first event Jack filmed is Alchemical Wedding in Royal Albert Hall, December 18th. He filmed entire 3 hour event and i did got to see it. After that he started filming on regular basis.
2) everytime Jack needed money to save his archive or for other needs he started bragging about that supposed mythical UFO footage which he shot but no one EVER had seen second from it , but people would send him cash and he would promise "to look for it". I researched that subject for long time and Jack also tried to do same trick with my friend which of course came to absolutely nothing
3) the company which now handles Jack archive is absolutely dead end. They have 1 hour long set of Soft Machine in Hyde Park (Sept 1969) which Jack shot and i had tried to working out licensing deal so that footage would had been released via Cuneiform records which released tons of perfect SM archival projects. They didn't bother to respond at all.

It's time to bury that myth already

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by motorbreat10 » Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:28 pm

^^^
I see that you always answer the same about this topic in YEESHKUL, and everything that you said is speculative because you don't evidence or any source of what you mention. I even think you haven't lived at that time, so i'm supossing that you are trolling. If you think that this material don't exist at all, let others dream with that at least. I'm hoping that Haight Trashbury recover something, the only thing you're doing is trolling with your pessimism in my opinion.
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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by Haight Trashbury » Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:16 am

hallucalation wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:59 pm
Haight Trashbury wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:53 pm
I still haven’t contacted the storage facility with the reels in it, but I will over the weekend. I’m still pretty sure that Jack Henry Moore had a recording since, even though he didn’t have any FILM stuff in 1967, I’m pretty sure he had a cheap video camera. Correct me if I’m wrong. It was mentioned that Moore taped Syd on some pretty major news sites, although you can never tell with this stuff. Maybe it was destroyed at some point; I don’t know.
I can almost 99% sure that all supposed Jack Moore UFO footage is total lies and bullshit.
1) because he didn't had any decent (or any) film equipment at all until December 1968 until John & Yoko gave him enough money to buy proper equipment and he started filming underground events. The first event Jack filmed is Alchemical Wedding in Royal Albert Hall, December 18th. He filmed entire 3 hour event and i did got to see it. After that he started filming on regular basis.
2) everytime Jack needed money to save his archive or for other needs he started bragging about that supposed mythical UFO footage which he shot but no one EVER had seen second from it , but people would send him cash and he would promise "to look for it". I researched that subject for long time and Jack also tried to do same trick with my friend which of course came to absolutely nothing
3) the company which now handles Jack archive is absolutely dead end. They have 1 hour long set of Soft Machine in Hyde Park (Sept 1969) which Jack shot and i had tried to working out licensing deal so that footage would had been released via Cuneiform records which released tons of perfect SM archival projects. They didn't bother to respond at all.

It's time to bury that myth already
From The Telegraph:
“The archive includes footage and tapes of rare performances by psychedelic practitioners the Grateful Dead and Pink Floyd and events such as Yoko Ono’s 1966 performance at London’s Jeanetta Cochrane Theatre and Ono and John Lennon’s “bagism” contribution to the fundraising Alchemical Wedding at the Royal Albert Hall in 1968.”

For me, this seems proof that Moore had at least some recording equipment in semi-frequent use since at least 1966. I don’t expect there to be much from that era, however, but it’s something.