Pink Floyd - Obscured By Clouds

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ZiggyZipgun wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:30 pm Again, I don't think film soundtracks should be counted as concept albums. If someone creates a concept for a film, then hires someone else to create incidental music (or source music, in the case of More) to include in the film, that's very different from a songwriter or a group of musicians coming up with an original concept and creating a standalone album based on that. Of course, The Who (and later, Roger) flipped the script by creating a concept album, and then making a film version of it.
Just to make my opinion clear: I don't think soundtracks are concept albums. However, they do share some properties with concept albums. Basically not being a collection of random songs but having something that ties them all together. I was wondering if this had any effect on Roger and perhaps was one step down the road towards concept albums (which once he started, he never stopped).

Clearly concept albums were a known thing since before PF did soundtracks. But, I wondered if there was some influence there.
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When you watch at the La vallée film one can easily notice that there is quite a fine connection between songs that follow a central plot of the film.
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space triangle wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:43 pm When you watch at the La vallée film one can easily notice that there is quite a fine connection between songs that follow a central plot of the film.
Yes, but there is a connecting concept. That the music would be what the people in the film would have been listening to. I'm not saying that makes it a concept album, it's a soundtrack. But, I wonder if that had any influence on Roger going in the concept album direction.
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Annoying Twit wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:10 pmThat the music would be what the people in the film would have been listening to.
I've never watched either, but I'm pretty sure that was the case with More, but not La Vallee, correct?

I think their somewhat jazz-influenced, freeform improvisations made them an obvious choice for soundtracks, but Rick Wright was definitely pushing them to make "serious music" - Ummagumma was his idea, and he was very into avant garde composers at the time. Even when they visited the BBC Radio Workshop with Syd in 1967 and saw the VCS3 for the first time, they mentioned Jani Christou's Praxis, which Rick apparently saw live in Athens in '66.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbJU_D3Qroo

Roger's soundtrack for The Body might have been the first time it occurred to him to specifically write a concept album, lyrically, but I think Rick was already there musically by the time he recorded "Sysyphus" in early '69.
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I remember an interview with Roger in which he said that the album Tommy(1969) by the Who had a great influence on him. Watching that interview, it was almost as that single album by the Who sparked his interest for a concept albums.
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space triangle wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:42 pm I remember an interview with Roger in which he said that the album Tommy(1969) by the Who had a great influence on him. Watching that interview, it was almost as that single album by the Who sparked his interest in a concept albums.
Interesting to note that Tommy was released a month after The Man and The Journey tour began, while they were still working on Ummagumma, and unlike Dark Side, none of it was performed live beforehand. And sure, they made "concept albums" before The Wall, but none of them had a narrative. Dark Side and WYWH could be considered somewhat linear in a very loose sense, but it's unclear if they were ever intended to be. Roger gave up on the linear, progressive narrative after KAOS, unless you want to count Ca Ira; I know I don't.

I personally think Tommy is mostly terrible.
Quadrophenia is much more consistent, though that plot isn't particularly interesting either. The Lifehouse project is fascinating to read about, but christ - Pete really thought the band was going to um, vaporize on stage, and had a nervous breakdown when he couldn't get anyone to understand that. The songs that came out of that are brilliant, and the demos prove that he really did write everything himself, playing everything except the bass, and letting Roger Daltry and Keith Moon just learn the songs and re-record them. Contrast that with the Roger Waters home studio - which Nick and Rick laughingly said had high-quality equipment, but his demos still sounded terrible somehow - and most of his songs were far from complete when he presented them to the band.
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Interesting posts both. Though, it risks going off-topic for this thread.

This article: https://www.guitarworld.com/features/in ... -interview discussing The Wall points out the obvious parallels between the plots of Tommy and The Wall. It also mentions that Roger was influenced by John Lennon's Plastic Ono Band album, in terms of grieving in music for a lost parent.