Pink Floyd - A Momentary Lapse of Reason

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Gslatner wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:30 am sounds like Pink Floyd to me
Sounds like David Gilmour and a cast of technicians to me.
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ZiggyZipgun wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:49 pm
Yucateco wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:25 amI must have somehow missed those albums with enjoyable music.
Sorry about your luck. Even on Gilmour's last two tours, less than half of the show was Roger-era material, even though they could've fit several more songs in place of "Sorrow" and "High Hopes", but at the shows I attended, those two songs got the same reaction as "Shine On You Crazy Diamond".
There are some songs I enjoy, Sorrow is one of them. High Hopes was one of them, I can´t hear it anymore. Gilmour has done it on every single concert since 1994, time to temporarily retire that.

Also these are Pink Floyd songs, which makes a huge difference. Crowd at the concert I attended in 2006 was actually relieved when the snoozefest of OaI finally ended.

I actually think AMLOR is Gilmours best effort (maybe because of all the outside help?). There are some really good songs on it. DB is already totally formular to please the masses, OaI is one of the most boring albums I know, Rattle that lock is a collection of inoffensive songs and Endless River is a shameless cash in with unsinspired noodling.

I guess I am just so tired of Gilmours "formula": On the turning away, Sorrow, Poles Apart, A Great Day Fro Freedom, Murder, Near the End, Coming Back to life, Keep Talking, High Hopes, On An Island, Rattle that Lock, Faces of Stone and In Any Tongue are basically the same song: Verse, chorus, guitar solo, maybe a bridge, second verse, chorus, endless closing guitar solo. In any tongue is probably the most blatant Comfortably Numb copy I ever heard. To be fair, he does try some new stuff from time to time, but boy do i not care about stuff like New Machine, A Boat lies waiting or Girl in the Yellow dress. Then there are the pop songs: Learning to Fly, One Slip, Take it Back... for me some of the worst the Floyd have ever released. Just not enjoyable music for me. And don´t get me started about Pollys lyrics....

Same for the live shows. A parade of endless guitar solos with some uninspired lights. Watching Pompeii is like watching an updated version of Delicate Sound of Thunder, he doesn´t even care to update the backdrop movies anymore. The lights during One of these days or Run like Hell are just ridiculous while the rest is a rehash from tours in the past.

Just to be clear: I absolutely love Gilmour and his playing. But he needs somebody to give him direction and especially some good lyrics. He lost both when the Waters/Gilmour relationship broke up.
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Yucateco wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:19 amHigh Hopes was one of them, I can´t hear it anymore. Gilmour has done it on every single concert since 1994, time to temporarily retire that.
Lucky for you, he's never going to tour again.
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ZiggyZipgun wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:06 am
Yucateco wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:19 amHigh Hopes was one of them, I can´t hear it anymore. Gilmour has done it on every single concert since 1994, time to temporarily retire that.
Lucky for you, he's never going to tour again.
I surely hope he will tour again in 2022/23, pretty sure he isn´t retired yet. Would love to see him once more on stage.
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Yucateco wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:16 am I surely hope he will tour again in 2022/23, pretty sure he isn´t retired yet. Would love to see him once more on stage.
Not going to happen. He's 75 now, and he's already said that he won't feel comfortable holding large events until the pandemic is completely under control, everywhere - and it won't be. The current vaccines are ineffective against new COVID variants in the UK, with other variants emerging in different areas. The vaccines will have to become an annual process like the flu shot, where they try to cover several strains that are most likely to be spread that season, but it's always a lot of guesswork.

Waters has rescheduled his tour dates, but I will be very surprised if those aren't postponed yet again. In the US, I'm sure there will be plenty of anti-vaxxers at his shows to contribute to the spike in cases that shuts everything down again. He could turn it into a super ironic live theatrical event.

Anyway, I'm sure Gilmour would much rather end with Live at Pompeii as his high note than risk anyone's health. I'm glad my wife and I caught both of the Toronto shows and that he played "High Hopes", because it's her favorite.
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theaussiefloydian wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:05 amI meant that they are very different albums, their quality notwithstanding, and that I think it was facetious of Waters to say that most Floyd fans wouldn't see those differences. I probably didn't make that clear enough in my wording though, so apologies for that.
I understood what you meant, but felt it was important to again point out the anomaly of Dark Side and The Wall - they were and continue to be hugely popular with people that have zero interest in the rest of the Pink Floyd catalog. Also, there are at least 1.5 million people out there that own Division Bell but not Animals. So we might not want to poll "the average Pink Floyd fan."

That aside, here's the actual quote from Rog:

Word magazine, 2005:
Have you ever regretted your decision to leave the group?
"Not for one single second. There were times…like when I was in Cincinnati and I was playing to a half-empty arena, 3,000 people in a 6,000-capacity venue, and the Pink Floyd were playing to 80,000 people the next night – this was the Radio KAOS tour, it was 1987. I felt like Henry V – 'We happy few, we band of brothers. For he today that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother' – meaning that because there are only a few of them there it is sweeter. Because of the camaraderie. And there was definitely that feeling from the 3,000 people that were there. I felt a huge kind of kinship with them. And I felt that the 80,000 people the next night were not, you know, getting it. It was a cobbled together facsimile of the work I used to do and they would probably never understand that they were being short-changed. And they still are. There's still quite a large number of people who don't understand the difference between Dark Side of the Moon and The Division Bell. They can’t tell one from the other. They don’t get it!"

But it must satisfy them or they wouldn’t keep coming back.
"Well absolutely. And that’s one of the reasons I left the band. There were larger and larger numbers of people who just didn't get it. I felt a loss of connection. Not just for each other but with our audiences. In earlier times it was about ideas and communicating. One of the definitions of 'popular' is 'designed or adapted to popular taste'. In other words you are controlled by the expectations of the public."

The irony of Roger identifying with Shakespeare's depiction of Henry V - and he even quoted parts of it in interviews during the KAOS tour - is that it is essentially English propaganda in support of the "high command" that took his daddy from him.

Beyond the Band of Brothers: Henry V, Moral Agency, and Obedience
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ZiggyZipgun wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:10 pm Waters: There's still quite a large number of people who don't understand the difference between Dark Side of the Moon and The Division Bell.
The difference being Roger Waters.

It's much easier to hear the difference between AMLOR and DSOTM. AMLOR is almost completely devoid of soul. And I don't mean the music genre. The cover art is silly, too. The lyrics are annoyingly subpar. Gilmour's voice and guitar, although drowning in horrible 1980s digital frosting, would be the saving grace if he'd only had more than one great song to go with it.
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Kerry King wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:12 am The difference being Roger Waters.
Then what's the difference between Dark Side of the Moon and say, Amused to Death? Or that other one. 🤭

I know we seem to have made another lap in our circular debate, but this argument can't hold water (Waters?) if his own output at the time was equally questionable.
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ZiggyZipgun wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:12 am another lap in our circular debate
Amusingly, this kind of sounds like something Waters would use as a song lyric.
Kerry King wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:12 am AMLOR is almost completely devoid of soul. And I don't mean the music genre. The cover art is silly, too. The lyrics are annoyingly subpar. Gilmour's voice and guitar, although drowning in horrible 1980s digital frosting, would be the saving grace if he'd only had more than one great song to go with it.
I am something of a defender of this album, but for the most part I'm not particularly moved to argue with you. A lot of this album doesn't feel like there is much soul to it, but I feel like there are exceptions to this - "Learning to Fly" and "Terminal Frost" (a bit of an asterisk next to that one) for example.
Most of the lyrics don't wholesale irritate me, with the exception of the "A New Machine" tracks (gawd David, what were you thinking?). In fact I quite like the lyrics for "Learning to Fly", "Yet Another Movie" and "Sorrow" - the meaning of the latter two is a little lost on me, but I like them all the same.
And the album cover... I can see why you might find it silly. But I have a fondness for it. Why? I would not be able to tell you to be honest.
I've said this many times, but I feel the album is vastly improved by the Later Years remix. It's not a perfect fix obviously, but for me it elevated a lot of the album, including getting me to like tracks I used to write off as crap (like "One Slip").
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^ I have not heard the new mix. I suppose I should. I'm not debating. There's no debate when it comes to opinion/taste/preference etc. My preference is pink floyd with both Waters and Gilmour. Wright, too. But not that Live 8 shit. TFC was the point of no return for pink floyd.
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Kerry King wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:28 am There's no debate when it comes to opinion/taste/preference etc.
Too right that is. I just enjoy the discussions of how we see the same things is all.
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DarkSideFreak wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:33 pm I don't necessarily disagree but a name is still a name. Rather like people who keep insisting Roger Hodgson is the genius behind Supertramp, yet his solo albums didn't get anywhere near the success he enjoyed as part of the band. And even if Some Things Never Change gets panned by critics and some fans (I love it), it was still a Top 5 album here in Germany, something Roger has not achieved. Names (brands) aren't unimportant.
Think about when an artists cuts away and goes solo.

How many of them matched their previous band's output in terms of sales?

I can think of Ozzy for one. Which is a damned shame, as the Dio albums were better than those Ozzy solo records....though only just.

Look at Kiss, when Ace went solo, he was reduced to an opening act. When Paul and Gene did solo tours, they were in clubs...the same ones Ace plays now.

I think MOST people don't think too hard about who created what, who's in which band, etc...they just go see the one with the name they remember.

Case in point...I went to see Foreigner... (again)... and there was literally not a single person on stage who recorded a single note on record that the band played all night.

Mind you, I saw people all around me, younger and older, being quite happy at seeing Foreigner...

Look at Styx...

I've seen them in the 20,000 seater over and over...Dennis plays a club at a casino... Dennis is probably the best comparison in this instance, as he sang a goodly portion, wrote a goodly portion, and crafted large swaths of the sound...

And now his tours are him playing the Styx tunes with a band that's like Styx.

Personally though, as most of my favorite Styx tunes are sung by Dennis...yeah... I'll see him and skip the JY and Tommy show.
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DarkSideFreak wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:33 pm Names (brands) aren't unimportant.
Another example might be J. Tillman: a solo artist that released 8 albums of fairly serious music. Along the way, he joined Fleet Foxes as their touring drummer and backing vocalist. He then relaunched his solo career under the stage name Father John Misty, and has maintained a pretty high profile ever since, touring, appearing on SNL and every late night show, even co-writing with Beyoncé. However, his earlier albums don't appear to have caught on with his new fan base at all, even though he references them in his new work.

I think band names are a big factor in the audience's perception, because one person working under their own name may been seen as taking themselves too seriously, which people do not like. Bands also can't choose a name that's too serious, for the same reason, but then if they become well respected, they're still stuck with whatever stupid name they came up with in the beginning.

As I've said before, rock and roll is really dumb if you think about it at all, and it's essentially a musical version of cosplay.
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battra wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:53 pm I think MOST people don't think too hard about who created what, who's in which band, etc...they just go see the one with the name they remember.
As I've said, we have the benefit of three decades of hindsight - during which Roger has proven that people can know your name and go out of their way to see you perform and still not feel obligated to buy your records.
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ZiggyZipgun wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 10:08 am
battra wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:53 pm I think MOST people don't think too hard about who created what, who's in which band, etc...they just go see the one with the name they remember.
As I've said, we have the benefit of three decades of hindsight - during which Roger has proven that people can know your name and go out of their way to see you perform and still not feel obligated to buy your records.
It's always interesting to hear you try to turn anything into a dig on Roger. :)