Roger Waters - The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking

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Rate this album

5 - Best
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30%
4
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3
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25%
2
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9%
1 - Worst
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Re: Roger Waters - The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking

Post by cwta eugene » Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:54 pm

Didn't I read somewhere, Blake's book perhaps, that Ezrin was excited to work with Roger and the Ezrins (meaning Bob, his wife, and kids) were going to live in England at one of Roger's houses? Supposedly, at the last minute, his wife got cold feet. You're a married man aren't you Kitkat? Surely you know that what the wife wants, the wife eventually gets! So he works with Dave for probably more money, gets a good balance of both LA and England, and appeases the wife! Sounds like a no-brainer to me! :lol:

On a side note, I love The Wall but prefer the Demo tapes to the actual album. The Demos are a lot darker, kinda like Animals 2, and I think Ezrin kinda Fudged it up a bit. It was OK for Ezrin to do that with Kiss and Alice Cooper cause people knew that they were getting cheesy theatrics when they bought albums from those guys and attended their shows. I prefer the dark drone going into The Thin Ice rather than the exploding bombs and crashing symbols that Ezrin probably suggested to make it more "theatrical." I prefer the darkness of the original ABITW2 to it's finished disco-like counterpart and the list goes on and on. I highly doubt Roger could have gotten a bunch of kids on stage at Live Earth swaying back and forth while Roger smiled, shaking his ass, looking like an idiot, if ABITW2 had been done as it was originally intended. :roll: But, the album sold well and I guess it got them out of their financial troubles, so...

I'm just glad that Ezrin wasn't there for Animals..."All alone and dying of cancer"...du bop du du du bop du du du bop (insert disco beat here). "But you're really a criiiiiiiigggggghhhhhhh"...(insert string section here). "Raving and drooling I fell on his neck with a scream"...(insert voice of actor screaming and add a slide whistle to simulate the falling of the guy). Man, that would have sucked! :lol:

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Re: Roger Waters - The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking

Post by kitkat » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:05 pm

CWTA,

I will have to listen to the demos. I havent yet. I heard an early version of conf numb when roger was going...I am a physician and etc etc. The demo tape thing is confusing to me because there seems to be different demos based on where they were in the process.

Could you tell me exactly which demos you are referring to and how I can listen to them...I am assuming YouTube? I would like to give it a listen. :D

Not to beat a dead horse, but regarding the Ezrin story, I dont believe it even though its what Ezrin said. He spent months just hanging out with Gilmour smoking dope and other various things on this boat and on and on and on. He didnt get more "family time" with the Gilmour album....according to the Blake book, Pigs Might Fly.

Gilmour and Waters and Ezrin have different versions. In general, I have found that Waters is more honest....honest to a fault...the fault being he insults people with his honesty...whereas Gilmour is more willing to spin. But, we werent there so we can only speculate.

Yeah, thats right. Thats the truth.

HEY MOSESPA, your "mossification" didnt take hold...it was weak bro.

YOU HAVE BEEN KIT KATERIZED!!!!!
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Re: Roger Waters - The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking

Post by cwta eugene » Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:54 pm

Kitkat,

This is where I got my copy:

http://www.floydpodcast.com/

It's under show #51, "The Wall Demos". I hope Keith doesn't get upset with me posting that link, but it's pretty common knowledge to all here, heck The Doctor himself is a member!

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Re: Roger Waters - The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking

Post by kitkat » Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:39 pm

thank you :D

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Re: Roger Waters - The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking

Post by mosespa » Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:03 pm

kitkat wrote:1. Not to beat a dead horse, but regarding the Ezrin story, I dont believe it even though its what Ezrin said. He spent months just hanging out with Gilmour smoking dope and other various things on this boat and on and on and on. He didnt get more "family time" with the Gilmour album....

2. according to the Blake book, Pigs Might Fly.

3. HEY MOSESPA, your "mossification" didnt take hold...it was weak bro.

YOU HAVE BEEN KIT KATERIZED!!!!!
1. Man...I'm just so glad we have a first-hand eyewitness who saw everything personally and remembers it all with such clarity.

2. Oh...you believe everything you read, then? :lol:

It's so easy to bash Gilmour whilst sucking Roger's cock; isn't it, kitkat? Perhaps as easy as it is to bash Roger whilst sucking Gilmour's cock.

Which is why I suck neither's cock and trash/glorify each in turn.

You should try that tack, sometime. You look like less of a cocksucker that way. :P :lol: :P :lol:

3. Just because you say so, doesn't make it true. I see nothing from you which definitively renders anything I've said untrue.

I see only macho, bullshit posturing from someone who claims to be an adult, but acts like a 12 year old.

No offense to the 12 year old's here. :D

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Re: Roger Waters - The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking

Post by kitkat » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:35 pm

Hey thanks!!!

I think you are cool as well.

So, the dude talking about "sucking c***ks", setting up booty calls, and discussing who he would <.8.> (resulting in my thread getting shut down) is providing a lecture on "bullshit macho posturing" and how a 12 year old acts.

EXCELLENT!!!

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Peace out dude. Or relax your face or something. Its only rock n roll. :D

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Re: Roger Waters - The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking

Post by danielcaux » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:46 pm

Hey, this is a Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking thread, so is only natural to find the words "sucking" and
"cocks" on it; one word describes the quality of the album and the other its theme.

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Re: Roger Waters - The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking

Post by mosespa » Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:20 am

kitkat wrote:Hey thanks!!!

I think you are cool as well.

So, the dude talking about "sucking c***ks", setting up booty calls, and discussing who he would <.8.> (resulting in my thread getting shut down) is providing a lecture on "bullshit macho posturing" and how a 12 year old acts.

EXCELLENT!!!

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Peace out dude. Or relax your face or something. Its only rock n roll. :D
I've never claimed to be a grown up, dude. :P :lol:

Takes one to know one, doesn't it? :D

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Re: Roger Waters - The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking

Post by lostplay » Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:25 am

I try and tried but this album eludes me.

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Re: Roger Waters - The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking

Post by Hogtown » Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:24 pm

Actually, I don't think it is that great an album. I guess I just don't like the "dream" concept. That is just silly. But, I like certain lyrics and certain musical passages. Again, I feel the album is important in filling out part of a trilogy that exists in MY mind: The Wall>The Final Cut>Pros & Cons of...

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Re: Roger Waters - The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking

Post by mosespa » Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:20 pm

And would the story of that trilogy be "Roger Waters slowly strangles the Pink Floyd sound to death?" :D

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Re: Roger Waters - The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking

Post by kitkat » Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:39 am

Indeed.

It strangled the Pink Floyd sound as represented by CrappaWappa, Obscured By Lousy Songs, Less, A Bowl Full of Poop, The Cow Album, and Muddled.


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Re: Roger Waters - The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking

Post by mosespa » Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:24 am

Yeah...but it also strangled the sound of A Bright Plane Of The Comet and You Wish I Was There.

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Re: Roger Waters - The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking

Post by crowman » Sun Jul 05, 2009 10:08 pm

kitkat wrote:But your other comparisons, which you didnt even try to defend, I just dont even begin to see what you are talking about:
The Mothers in both Lennon and Waters' respective songs may be different characters (dead in Lennon's case, overbearing in Waters'), but the songs are still written with the same intention: to look to childhood to find the reason for being messed up in adulthood. And Waters was surely moved by the "Mama don't go, daddy come home!" refrain of Lennon's song.

The opening piano chords to Gunner's Dream and Isolation have always struck me as similar.

"Remember when you were young" is the opening line to Shine On You Crazy Diamond and Lennon's Remember. And the phrase "Shine On" was also coined by Lennon, in 1970's Instant Karma.

There are lines in Working Class Hero that remind me of Dogs, in particular "There is room at the top, they are telling you still, but first you must learn to smile as you kill". And of course the A minor riff from that song is the key musical theme that Pros and Cons is built around.

I'm not accusing Roger of plagiarism, he is a brilliant and original writer in his own right. On their own, each of these examples may only be a small similarity with Lennon's. But taken together they're clear examples of the influence Lennon had on Waters, in particular the Plastic Ono Band album.
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Re: Roger Waters - The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking

Post by mosespa » Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:14 am

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I wonder how long it'll take kitkat to learn that Waters did NOT invent the wheel, discover fire and write the Beatles catalogue*?

















*according to Nick Mason, that was Gilmour. :lol: