Competition

Real Pink in the Inside · Wed Jul 31, 2002 2:46 am

Who here believes humans, or the majority of humans, in our society in
particular, need to stop competing over so many things? How do you think
competition comes about, from society, nature or a combination of both?

A lot of people compete over a number of things, whether it be a fight to have more material wealth than someone else, a fight to look happier than someone else, etc.

I believe we, as individuals, should stop competing with one another and start competing with our self. We should strive to be all that we can be instead of striving to be the best at everything, which is basically futile. If we were to do this, we would collectively be the best at everything, in addition to freeing ourselves as individuals from the machine that is the ills of society, resulting in unadulterated individuality.

Too idealistic? Is there really such a thing?

As for the second question, I believe that most competition is brought about by society, but obviously it is in our nature to compete too. Why must we compete with others though? Why not be an individual and compete with yourself to satisfy this characteristic? Why give into the collective competition?

I look forward to your opinion.

Post by **Keith Jordan** » Sat Oct 12, 2002 12:43 pm

The only collective that should be recognised is the family. I have a strong dislike for socialism and denying the individual. Collectivism is wickedly evil and for the weak minded - and those not endowed with much in life.

mostHigh · Post by **mostHigh** » Sat Oct 12, 2002 2:33 pm

LETS HAVE abasketball MATch tonight

Post by **Keith Jordan** » Sat Oct 12, 2002 3:14 pm

MostHigh, your posts are a little random. You been taking something?

Is that you in the picture you have as an avatar?

mostHigh · Post by **mostHigh** » Sat Oct 12, 2002 7:51 pm

HAHAHAHAHhahahahaha

no man that's not me at all

i'm not taking anything actually, i just like random humor. i'm carrying it over from pinkfan.com a GREAT message board where nobody ever talked about floyd, a classic and legendary board that you people wouldn't have liked more than likely

random humor is the best, c'mon admit it

Furious · Post by **Furious** » Wed Oct 16, 2002 4:50 pm

I have nothing of value to contribute to this thread

:p

(you mean like that

)

Post by **mosespa** » Wed Oct 16, 2002 5:24 pm

Real Pink in the Inside wrote:Who here believes humans, or the majority of humans, in our society in
particular, need to stop competing over so many things? How do you think
competition comes about, from society, nature or a combination of both?

A lot of people compete over a number of things, whether it be a fight to have more material wealth than someone else, a fight to look happier than someone else, etc.

I believe we, as individuals, should stop competing with one another and start competing with our self. We should strive to be all that we can be instead of striving to be the best at everything, which is basically futile. If we were to do this, we would collectively be the best at everything, in addition to freeing ourselves as individuals from the machine that is the ills of society, resulting in unadulterated individuality.

Too idealistic? Is there really such a thing?

As for the second question, I believe that most competition is brought about by society, but obviously it is in our nature to compete too. Why must we compete with others though? Why not be an individual and compete with yourself to satisfy this characteristic? Why give into the collective competition?

I look forward to your opinion.

Deja vu.

I wonder if you still have my response to this?

Real Pink in the Inside · Wed Oct 16, 2002 5:44 pm

mosespa wrote: Deja vu.

I wonder if you still have my response to this?

Nope. I never did get around to replying either.

David Smith · Post by **David Smith** » Wed Oct 16, 2002 8:03 pm

Keith, i'm interested, why do you dislike socialism? I'm not saying if i like it or not cause i know piss all on the topic, but i'm wondering why you're strongly against it. Are you rfar right wing or what?

Post by **mosespa** » Wed Oct 16, 2002 9:57 pm

I'm not Keith...but I'll stick my two cents in here.

I am opposed to socialism because it emphasizes the "collective" over the individual. Without individuals, you could not have a collective. So it's a bit ridiculous in my opinion to emphasize the importance of the sum over that of it's parts.

The whole may be greater than the sum of it's parts, but the whole is nothing without the parts of it's sum.

If you follow the credo, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need," you then run into the questions, "Who decides ability?" and "Who defines 'need'?" and "Who gave them that right?"

The "free" world denounced the communists and the facists...now, the whole world is crying for more socialism. Make up your minds, folks. First we tried to eradicate the socialists (facism and communism are forms of socialism)...now we're trying to become more like them.

What gives?

David Smith · Post by **David Smith** » Thu Oct 17, 2002 3:39 pm

Intresting response, what does everyone else think? I'm divided on the topic.

Post by **Keith Jordan** » Thu Oct 17, 2002 10:35 pm

I have no liking for socialism because it denies the right of an individual to exist as an individual. I do not want to exist as part of a group. I am an individual.

Real Pink in the Inside · Thu Nov 14, 2002 1:25 pm

Real Pink in the Inside wrote:
mosespa wrote: Deja vu.

I wonder if you still have my response to this?
Nope. I never did get around to replying either.

Look what I found:

On 6/14/01 1:45:00 PM, The Poster Formerly Known As R.PITI wrote:
>Who here believes humans, or
>the majority of humans, in our
>society in
>particular, need to stop
>competing over so many things?
>How do you think
>competition comes about, from
>society, nature or a
>combination of both?

First of all, I think competition is not something that can be "stopped." Natural Selection is a form of competition...competition for survival.
I think it's a force of nature. Hot air currents and cold air currents collide...what happens next depends upon which force "wins the competition."

It seems to me (and please let me know if I'm off base here) that what you refer to as "competition" is a form of "greed"...trying to have more than everyone else.

Greed is an unfortunate part of the condition of perfection. People are always saying "in a perfect world." This IS a perfect world. We have light AND dark, good AND evil, mountains AND plains...etc. Greed is just the opposite of altrusim (which, when carried to extremes, can be just as morally incorrect as greed...IMHOnion.) There's nothing that can be done about it without some kind of shift in exactly what it means to BE human.

At least that's how I see it, anyway.

>I believe we, as individuals,
>should stop competing with one
>another and start
>competing with our self. We
>should strive to be all that
>we can be instead of
>striving to be the best at
>everything, which is basically
>futile.

Wouldn't "being all that you can be" presuppose competing to defeat failure to be all that you can be?

If we were to do
>this, we, collectively, would
>be the best at everything, in
>addition to freeing ourselves
>as individuals, at least in
>part, from the machine that is
>the ills of society, resulting
>in unadulterated
>individuality.
>Too idealistic? Is there
>really such a thing?

Dude...working together is what MAKES the machine. You are talking about merely replacing one machine with another. In fact, anyone who has ever talked about dismantling whatever current machine may be running is also talking about replacing it with a different machine.
No machine is without it's "flaws"...and no two people will ever agree on the best way to eliminate all of the flaws...or even on what the flaws ARE.

Why
>must we compete with others
>though?

Because they're there.

Look at it this way for a second. You have a certain goal you want to reach...whatever that goal may be, it's important to you that you reach it.
Now, someone else is after the same goal you are after. There may be plenty to go around, but you thought of reaching this goal on your own, so, it becomes YOUR PERSONAL goal.

This other guy is out to achieve YOUR goal...take YOUR dream. You don't want to let that happen, so you try to achieve it before he does.

Why not be an
>individual and compete with
>yourself to satisfy this
>characteristic?

"Aw man, you're talking about making changes within myself...that's hard work...I don't want to do that."
--Society In General.

Besides...who gives a shit if you take something from yourself? At least then you still have it.

Why give into
>the collective competition?
>Why HAVE WE given into the
>collective competition?

Because it's how you get ahead in the world. Progress is all about forward motion. You don't want to stand still, you stagnate and die. When you move forward, you encounter opposition (one of Newton's Laws, I think,) competition is a form of opposition. It must exist.

What you call "competing with yourself," I call "improving yourself."

God, I hate knowing everything...........
mosespa

PBR_Fan · Post by **PBR_Fan** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 7:53 am

our.pity is a commie

Real Pink in the Inside · Wed Nov 20, 2002 4:37 pm

Blhahahah

And I have this poster in my room:

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