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Something in 10/8?
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Hudini wrote:Something in 10/8?
Why write something in 10/8 when you can simply write it in 5/4 and subdivide when counting?
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Because it's not the same thing. Like 2/4 and 4/4. Usually the syncopation is different.
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Two bars of 2/4 is the same as one bar of 4/4.

You are slightly more correct about the 10/8 VS 5/4 argument because technically, anything over 8 should be counted as triplets. However, a bar of 10/8 is simply ten 8th notes. A bar of 5/4 contains 5 quarter notes, or ten 8th notes. You can count a bar of 10/8 as straight 8th notes and still have everything line up.
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The Gunner's Dream wrote:anything over 8 should be counted as triplets
How? :?
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Dotted quarter note gets the beat. It isn't so much counting it as triplets as accenting specific beats.
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I'm not following you. Mathematically, a triplet is 2/3 of a note, and a dotted note is 3/2. Dotted or not, one single note cannot be divided into triplets, you need an even number of notes. Can you elaborate more? I'm really curious.
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Ok, let's just use a simple time signature as an example. 6/8: six 8th notes per measure, two dotted quarter notes per measure. Dotted quarter note gets the beat. Each dotted quarter note is equivalent to three 8th notes. So, a dotted quarter note should be counted as "ONE two three". Two dotted quarter notes tied together could be counted as "ONE two three FOUR five six" with the accents coming on the first and fourth beats of the measure.
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But those are not triplets. It is quite normal to divide two dotted quarters into six when they already contain six eights. The triplets would be counting "ONE two three" during two quarter notes that are not dotted, or "ONE two three FOUR five six" during a 4/4 bar, because a triplet is 2/3 of a note that is not dotted, whilst 2/3 of a dotted note is actually a half of the same note only without a dot. If you put it in an equation you will clearly see it's not the same thing.
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Right, as I said earlier it isn't so much about counting it as true triplets as it is about accenting certain beats.

What I said about equivalent time signatures is true too. 10/8 can be written in 5/4, 6/4 could be written in 3/2, 6/8 could be written in 3/4, 12/16 could be written in 3/4, etc. etc. You can test this out for yourself by using a music composition program like Finale or Powertab.
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Of course it could. But if there weren't any differences at all, there would be no need for different signatures. Every beat would have a divider of either 4 or 8.

Per instance, the beginning of ELP's "Tarkus" is in 10/8 and the verse of Rush's "Losing It" is in 5/8. That could technically be written down as the same rhythm, but in truth it is not. You can hear a notable difference in syncopation.
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There's a big difference between 5/8 and 10/8. Theoretically you could write 2 bars of 5/8 as 1 bar of 10/8 but I've never seen it done before.

By the way, I have the official sheet music for Tarkus. It is written in 5/4. Hahaha but as we were saying it can be counted as 10/8 too.
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I once wrote something in 10/8

ONE TWO three FOUR five six SEVEN eight nine ten

Wouldn't make sense to divide that in 5/8 ;-)