Yes I can.
And Pink created his wall himself, yes?
Roger Waters - Live In Berlin 1990
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Re: Roger Waters - Live In Berlin 1990
All works of art have multiple levels of interpretation, the author's conscious point of view is only one of them.mosespa wrote:It's not interpretive at all. If it were, I don't think he (Waters) would have taken such great pains to create a definite story to illustrate through the songs.
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Yes but Rogers is the only important onedanielcaux wrote:All works of art have multiple levels of interpretation, the author's conscious point of view is only one of them.mosespa wrote:It's not interpretive at all. If it were, I don't think he (Waters) would have taken such great pains to create a definite story to illustrate through the songs.
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Re: Roger Waters - Live In Berlin 1990
Well, Pink blamed it on his wife, mother, schoolmaster, death of his father, etc. etc.Duckboy wrote:Yes I can.
And Pink created his wall himself, yes?
But yes...he actually built it himself.
I disagree. Without the author's conscious point of view, the work of art could never have come into being to begin with.danielcaux wrote:All works of art have multiple levels of interpretation, the author's conscious point of view is only one of them.mosespa wrote:It's not interpretive at all. If it were, I don't think he (Waters) would have taken such great pains to create a definite story to illustrate through the songs.
I believe that while all interpretations can be valid, there is still an objective statement being made by the author.
You can interpret The Wall to mean "that we all live like Italians" (to quote something R.PITI has probably forgotten that he threw at me once, ) but there is still the fact that Roger intended it to convey that "trying to solve a problem in terms created by the problem only leads to other problems."
A person can interpret The Wall to be the story of a giant ass stomping around in search of his flame-headed wife who is being held captive by the wicked schoolmaster and the mother of the hammers...but the fact remains that when Roger set out to tell the story, the ass was the judge in The Trial, the flame-headed wife is Pink's and not that of the ass and she's not being held captive by the schoolmaster, etc. etc. etc.
Regardless of one's personal interpretation (which may still be valid) there is STILL an inherent point being made which I feel supercedes any outside interpretation of the work.
In other words, I consider my interpretation to be less important than what the author was actually trying to say.
In fact, my interpretation could lead to a failure of the author to get his point across...which then renders his attempt futile; as I see it.
I'm not interested in frustrating artists.
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Re: Roger Waters - Live In Berlin 1990
Well Pinks wall is representing Rogers barrier between himself and the audience. If Pinks wall is self created then Rogers barrier is self created. Do you still agree?mosespa wrote:Well, Pink blamed it on his wife, mother, schoolmaster, death of his father, etc. etc.Duckboy wrote:Yes I can.
And Pink created his wall himself, yes?
But yes...he actually built it himself.
If not then 'The Wall' according to Rogers idea of the barrier is flawed and as such is no better than anyone elses ideas on 'The Wall'.
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1. Not just of Roger's barrier...but of ANY barrier which people erect around themselves in order to prevent unpleasant things from happening to them.Duckboy wrote:1. Well Pinks wall is representing Rogers barrier between himself and the audience.
2. If Pinks wall is self created then Rogers barrier is self created. Do you still agree?
3. If not then 'The Wall' according to Rogers idea of the barrier is flawed and as such is no better than anyone elses ideas on 'The Wall'.
2. Yes, but not necessarily in the way that you present here. Roger has admitted that the barrier that he felt was between the band and the audience was the result of their own greed in allowing themselves to play in places where the intimacy that they once felt between themselves and the audience is impossible to achieve.
3. I wouldn't say that it's "no better than anyone else's," just because without his interpretation of it, he couldn't have written the piece in the first place.
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Yes, I was aware of that and that is a nice thing to do.mosespa wrote: See the parenthetical statement in point two above.
...... The show was designed to raise money for the Memorial Fund For Disaster Relief.
As a MUSICAL PRODUCT I was not impressed with it, that's all. I don't need to hear Brian Adams singing Young Lust. I certainly have nothing negative to say about the event itself. As a video it's an interesting spectacle. It just has no musical value for me.
I've got the whole Waters/Wall interview here at my house. I don't really like the interview because I like the mystery of The Wall.
Like when you first hear it.
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Re: Roger Waters - Live In Berlin 1990
Erm they did call him offDuckboy wrote:They seemed like pretty bad friends, they just ran off and left him there, didn't try to stop him or anything.moom wrote:Mother did. Also, there's nothing said about friends and from the movie, we know he had some in school.
He might have overreacted a bit as well. I know that from my own experience. Sometimes you really think they're against you.
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Ok but is there a chance that by lying to you about what the wall is about he is increasing that barrier, trying to distance himself from us?mosespa wrote: Yes, but not necessarily in the way that you present here. Roger has admitted that the barrier that he felt was between the band and the audience was the result of their own greed in allowing themselves to play in places where the intimacy that they once felt between themselves and the audience is impossible to achieve.
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Re: Roger Waters - Live In Berlin 1990
Expensive karaoke
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Re: Roger Waters - Live In Berlin 1990
it wasn't Rogers best ideas but his heart was in the right place
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Re: Roger Waters - Live In Berlin 1990
What purpose would that serve?Duckboy wrote:Ok but is there a chance that by lying to you about what the wall is about he is increasing that barrier, trying to distance himself from us?mosespa wrote: Yes, but not necessarily in the way that you present here. Roger has admitted that the barrier that he felt was between the band and the audience was the result of their own greed in allowing themselves to play in places where the intimacy that they once felt between themselves and the audience is impossible to achieve.
I hope this doesn't come across as condescending, but let me first say that I GET the whole "teen-angst, rebellious, don't-believe-everything-you-read, don't-trust-the-man" sort of thing; Really, I get that.
But what you're getting at here is the suggestion that a guy would spend over five years of his life writing an album, recording that album, explaining that album in interviews multiple times, performing that album live and making a movie about it just so he could lie about what it's all really about.
Dude, I'M supposed to be the resident misanthrope here.
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Re: Roger Waters - Live In Berlin 1990
My argument was just rather poor after I started reading more about 'The Wall' so I went for something you couldn't possibly beat. You never will know if Roger is telling the truth.
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Re: Roger Waters - Live In Berlin 1990
You're correct that I can never KNOW, since I will never be inside his head.
However, all of the interviews that I've read (and I've read many, many interviews with many people who have been involved with the album/film/concerts,) and all of the research that I've done when double-checked and cross referenced all adds up.
I may never KNOW whether or not Roger is lying...but I CAN be (and am,) 99.99 percent sure that he's not lying.
However, all of the interviews that I've read (and I've read many, many interviews with many people who have been involved with the album/film/concerts,) and all of the research that I've done when double-checked and cross referenced all adds up.
I may never KNOW whether or not Roger is lying...but I CAN be (and am,) 99.99 percent sure that he's not lying.
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Re: Roger Waters - Live In Berlin 1990
If Roger Waters is lying than Pink Floyd sucks.
I believe him.
I believe him.