Pink Floyd - The Wall

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5 - Best
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Re: Pink Floyd - The Wall

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Kerry King wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:58 pm It's totally obvious. I only mentioned it in response to this...
You're misquoting me by leaving out both parts:
ZiggyZipgun wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:50 pm
space triangle wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:30 pmThe old rule says: Every publicity is good, even the bad publicity.
space triangle wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:30 pmWhen The Final Cut was released, it quickly spreads rumours the album is quite a weak. And also that the album was actually more like Roger Waters' solo album, and not Pink Floyd at all.
WTF, mate?
I was pointing out his contradiction, because he'd already said that "Every publicity is good, even the bad publicity" - as the very reason that AMLOR did so well (but somehow, KAOS didn't). I call bullshit.

(The saying actually goes, "There's no such thing as bad publicity.")
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Kerry King wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:58 pm It's not far fetched to believe that word of mouth hurt the album sales. Or the fact that it was dominated by Waters. And if you bought the final cut not knowing who Roger Waters was all you had to do was read the back cover of the album to figure it out.
And yet, it is far fetched, considering how many people didn't know who Roger Waters was in 1984, despite The Wall selling as phenomenally well as it did, the famous tour, and the companion feature film, with hardly any break at all before the release of The Final Cut.
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Just to sum up this debate, I think we can all agree that the music-buying public at large was able to decide, based entirely on a cursory listen - either in the record shop, or on the radio - that The Final Cut was not for them. They didn’t need to know who was in the band, and according to the chart performance of Pros and Cons and About Face, and the attendance of those tours, they honestly didn't.

The Wall sounded good and had a hit single; The Final Cut did not.

A Momentary Lapse of Reason sounded good and had a hit single (or three); Radio KAOS did not.

Bear in mind that "Not Now John"/"The Hero's Return" single came out two months after the album; the previous single was "When the Tigers Broke Free"/"Bring the Boys Back Home" (WTF, Roger?), nine months earlier - and it was advertised as "Taken from the album, The Final Cut" (WTF, Roger?!). So, for all the things people like to blame for it's failure, it was initially the mixed messaging, and then, the music itself. If it really was a masterpiece with the appeal of The Wall, people would have figured that out by now.
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ZiggyZipgun wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:02 amIf it really was a masterpiece with the appeal of The Wall, people would have figured that out by now.
TFC wasn't a masterpiece. Not att all, imo. But, The Wall's great popularity (and sales) was primarily due to the popularity of the hit single 'Another Brick In The Wall pt.2'. The song was a big hit all over the world. The question is, how much popular The Wall album itself would have been had it not been for a huge popularity of ABITW pt.2?. I personally know a couple of people who told me that they bought the album The Wall at the time primarily because of the popularity of ABITW pt. 2, only to be quite disappointed with the whole The Wall album afterwards.
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ZiggyZipgun wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:02 am Just to sum up this debate...
I wasn't debating. I don't debate. I was telling you what I know.
I apologize if I misquoted you.
I heard that the final cut was a disappointing album before I ever listened to it. Not sure who told me. I also read back covers so I guess I'm less illiterate than the average pf fan.
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I certainly never thought ABITW 2 was the best or even 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best song on The Wall. Or 5th. The Wall would have sold just fine without a big top 40 hit. It goes without saying that the big hit put the album over the top.

6 songs I like more than ABITW2
Comfortably Numb
The Thin Ice
Goodbye Blue Sky
Mother
One Of My Turns
The Show Must Go On
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Re: Pink Floyd - The Wall

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Kerry King wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:13 am
ZiggyZipgun wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:02 am Just to sum up this debate...
I meant the debate about why The Final Cut is the black sheep in the Floyd family, in general; some of the reasons given are mutually exclusive.

"Brick II" is far from the best song on The Wall, but it was the one that got the most airplay. It would've done pretty well without it, but 23X platinum?! It just amazes me that, however many people had bought it and/or caught the tour and/or seen the movie, very few of them would shell out a few more bucks for what anyone would have naturally assumed would be a fairly similar album. Maybe all those French horns on the "Tigers" single were the last thing anyone wanted to hear in 1982, and they saved their money for the disco mix of "Blue Light".
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space triangle wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:21 pm They first kicked Syd out of the band, and then they produced his solo albums The Madcap Laughs and Barett. I'm trying to imagine a situation in which David, Rick and Nick produce Roger's solo albums Radio KAOS and Amused To Death after a conflict 1985/1986. :D
Rick also said that when Syd was pushed out of the band, he considered quitting so he could start a new band with him.
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ZiggyZipgun wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:25 am
Kerry King wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:13 am
I meant the debate about why The Final Cut is the black sheep in the Floyd family, in general; some of the reasons given are mutually exclusive.
Ah. That debate seems even more petty. Oh well. Some people love to debate. Some people love to hear themselves talk. Black Sheep? TFC is easily better than AMLOR, the Ummugumma studio record, AHM and Saucerful. There's nothing better than Jugband Blues, but Saucerful is a weak album even for some of us who might enjoy psychedelic meanderings. I probably listen to tfc more than More, and it's no more obscure than Obscured By Clouds. Not that I'm debating. I'm just expressing my own taste. If there is a Black Sheep in the floyd catalog it's AMLOR.

What does this have to do with The Wall? Good question.
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Kerry King wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:00 amWhat does this have to do with The Wall? Good question.
Absolutely nothing. space tabloid got a little defensive over some sales figures and it went off the rails from there. Hell, at one point he was arguing against something that Roger himself said.