

which topic got out of hand?DarkSideFreak wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:29 am OT: Wow that SHF thread escalated quickI love the forum but sometimes they really get toxic in discussions...
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The one about Mother.azza200 wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:34 amwhich topic got out of hand?DarkSideFreak wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:29 am OT: Wow that SHF thread escalated quickI love the forum but sometimes they really get toxic in discussions...
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As Roger Waters said, Nick just couldn't play that 5/4 beat at the time, and it is a very difficult beat to play. And since they had a dead-line, Roger probably thought they might as well get another drummer in for that song that could play that beat.Jimi Dean Barrett wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:21 pm You could argue Roger singing more made the bass simpler (Money excluded but what are their great bass lines since DSOTM? Dave played bass on Pigs 3 Different Ones and Sheep was a Meddle retread) which had an impact on Nick's playing?
Maybe it isn't fair to compare his drumming on the second album with the 70's work. But I'm still convinced Nick could have nailed the drumming in "Two Suns In The Sunset". No idea what that replacement decision was about.
Okay, what's with blaming Rog for every single thing? Yes, he had a big ego, but I honestly think he earned it, don't you? Just as John Lennon earnt his. Roger was (and still is) a lyrical genius, and if he never asserted dominance over the band, would we have The Wall or The Final Cut? They're are two of my favourite albums of all time. I don't think your blaming Roger is justified. And it wasn't his asserting dominance; the album had a dead-line, Nick Mason couldn't play the 5/4 beat at the time, so they brought in someone who could.Annoying Twit wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:42 pmMy guess: politics. Roger asserting dominance.Jimi Dean Barrett wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:21 pm You could argue Roger singing more made the bass simpler (Money excluded but what are their great bass lines since DSOTM? Dave played bass on Pigs 3 Different Ones and Sheep was a Meddle retread) which had an impact on Nick's playing?
Maybe it isn't fair to compare his drumming on the second album with the 70's work. But I'm still convinced Nick could have nailed the drumming in "Two Suns In The Sunset". No idea what that replacement decision was about.
Do you mean stuff like 'The Gunners Dream'? Because the sax solo on that was beautiful, and it was the right call to do that. Would you say the sax solo on 'Us and Them' should have been replaced by a solo?Kerry King wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:35 amYou must have noticed what had happened. Waters turning his back on pink floyd. Marginalizing them as his back up band. No Gilmour vocals until the penultimate track. Sax where a Gilmour guitar solo would have been perfect. A lack of excitement in some of the production. Wright and Gilmour relied on Waters because Waters appointed himself lyricist. It's not as if Rick Wright or David Gilmour couldn't come up with a chord progression. They can play 3 or 4 chords as easily as Waters. Waters was shutting them out.Wolfpack wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:15 pm used on the original LP.
I've always liked 'The Final Cut', since my teens. I didn't know which member did what.
And yet I would rather go to the Pros And Cons tour then the About Face tour.ZiggyZipgun wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:31 amTo be fair, the About Face tour did much better than the Pros and Cons tour. Gilmour did have to cancel two shows in Quebec due to low ticket sales, but he added a number of other dates in Florida and elsewhere on the East coast. He only played two, sometimes three Pink Floyd songs ("Run Like Hell", "Comfortably Numb", "Money"): Roger played over a dozen Pink Floyd songs, had Eric Clapton with him, and managed to lose $1.6 million dollars. Roger didn't do as poorly on the second leg of the tour - by which time Clapton and two others had quit - and it was held in much smaller venues, while Gilmour's had always been a fairly low-key show with minimal visual effects. Roger had the benefit of his album and tour announcement appearing months after Dave's, giving him more word-of-mouth advertising whether he wanted it or not. Even the album reviews were tough, but the most famous one stated that About Face "assumes new luster in comparison to this turkey."Wolfpack wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:44 pmGilmour needed the name Pink Floyd, because his solo career wasn't successful. And Waters felt overshadowed by everyone knowing Pink Floyd and not Roger Waters.
Gilmour made it clear in interviews for his first and second solo albums that his focus was still going to be Pink Floyd, and even said that the main reason for touring was to get the experience of running the show, since they knew Roger wasn't coming back and they were just waiting for him to "f--- off into the ether." Roger always saw it as a competition, but he could barely compete with "David Gilmour" let alone "Pink Floyd", while many fans would be happy to accept it for what it was - a divorce that gets you two birthdays and two Christmases.
I'm not blaming Roger for every little thing. But, I believe that during TFC (and starting earlier - E.g. Rick's dismissal), Roger was asserting dominance in PF. You clearly think differently, but saying '... blaming Rog for every single thing' is a straw man.Ashes andDiamonds07 wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:14 pm Okay, what's with blaming Rog for every single thing? Yes, he had a big ego, but I honestly think he earned it, don't you? Just as John Lennon earnt his. Roger was (and still is) a lyrical genius, and if he never asserted dominance over the band, would we have The Wall or The Final Cut? They're are two of my favourite albums of all time. I don't think your blaming Roger is justified. And it wasn't his asserting dominance; the album had a dead-line, Nick Mason couldn't play the 5/4 beat at the time, so they brought in someone who could.
It was only recently revealed that David actually played some drum overdubs on that (the busy tom-toms during the first, fast solo, I think). I wonder why they did that. David isn't as good a drummer as Nick is!Eclips wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:01 am He still sounds rhythmically amazing on Dogs, though. But on the live shows he gets excused!
As I know it Nick had/have a problems to play some of the drum rhythms. For example he believed he could not come up with the right drum part for the song Remember a Day. Producer Norman Smith, knew what he wanted with the drums, so he played the drums himself. I believe the same thing happened with the song Mother from The Wall album. Nick couldn't play the drum part, and Jeff Porcaro played the drums instead of 'ole Nick.DarkSideFreak wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2024 5:15 pm I wonder why they did that. David isn't as good a drummer as Nick is!
You are right, mosespa. But still, Nick said himself he had a problems with Remember a Day and Mother. ''Those songs had a different drum feel to our usual pounding style'',mosespa wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:24 am When you're paying for studio time and struggling to meet a new deadline that's significantly sooner than you expected at the outset, taking six hours to walk your drummer through the song versus paying Jeff Porcaro to do it in one is not a difficult decision to make.
Supposedly, at some point during the whole Rick affair, someone put forth the idea of getting rid of Nick, too. I've read in various books that the idea was floated by Gilmour, but if that's true, I think he was being sarcastic and trying to demonstrate to Waters how absurd he was being vis-a-vis Rick. But, I wasn't there and I don't know anyone involved personally, I'm just speculating.jtull wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 4:22 pm You are right, mosespa. But still, Nick said himself he had a problems with Remember a Day and Mother. ''Those songs had a different drum feel to our usual pounding style'',