The Wall - Live In Berlin DVD

David Smith · Post by **David Smith** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:28 am

It's a totally different situation.

For a start gilmour wrote the guitar parts for it and sang making it partly his song, he's also not going against his morals. Keep in mind roger did slate dave for losing the intimacy of his concerts despite doing the same thing with the berlin concert.

Real Pink in the Inside · Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:29 am

No it isn't. The song Money is about how money can corrupt one's personal principles. What do you think Post-Waters Floyd was all about? It certainly was not about principles.

David Smith · Post by **David Smith** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:40 am

ok, it's hypocritical, but if roger had done the bassline and no guitar or anything then it would have been bad. And don't say he could have used session men 'cause Dave could have used a session writer, i think Dave's just as good on guitar as Roger is on lyrics.

Post by **mosespa** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 9:01 pm

Yeah...I'll buy it.

For a lot of reasons, but also partially because it was released around the time of my 20th Birthday and I have a lot of fond memories of fighting with my wife about whether or not that was what she got me for my birthday (because if she didn't I was going to run out RIGHT THEN and buy it)...and also jamming a bit later in the evening with two friends while drinking Keystone beer and Wild Irish Rose.

Of course, we played Young Lust.

crofloyd · Post by **crofloyd** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 10:07 pm

Sinead O'Connor performed a great version of Mother. But nevermind, here's a fact: Roger Waters would have got more money if he had reunited the band again and did a mini tour or a full night concert instead of this all star team, it could have been The Wall but also DSOTM and a few oldies.

Useful Idiot · Post by **Useful Idiot** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 10:22 pm

Real Pink in the Inside wrote:Why did Gilmour perform Money on DB and MLOR tours when money is ALL those tours and albums were about?

Is that just a question that is tolerated?

He played Money because it's what the fans want to hear. It will always be the Pink Floyd song that the masses like the most, and Dave recognizes that. And if you're going to say "oooh, the post-Waters Floyd was all about money!", well when you get right down to it, so was the Waters era Floyd. I guarentee you that money was the main reason Pink Floyd ever tried to make it big as a band, and was the only reason they continued through some of the hard times they had (I.E. the Atom Heart Mother sessions, the Wish You Were Here sessions, etc).

Spinoza · Post by **Spinoza** » Sun Apr 13, 2003 4:54 pm

Real Pink in the Inside wrote:No it isn't. The song Money is about how money can corrupt one's personal principles. What do you think Post-Waters Floyd was all about? It certainly was not about principles.

Even the Waters led Floyd was not about principles. That's something good old Rog tries to let you believe.

decampos · Post by **decampos** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 11:58 am

Spinoza wrote:
Real Pink in the Inside wrote:No it isn't. The song Money is about how money can corrupt one's personal principles. What do you think Post-Waters Floyd was all about? It certainly was not about principles.
Even the Waters led Floyd was not about principles. That's something good old Rog tries to let you believe.

What was it about?

Spinoza · Post by **Spinoza** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 4:34 pm

David Smith · Post by **David Smith** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 4:53 pm

This conversation stops here

SydsMadcapGirl · Post by **SydsMadcapGirl** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 5:07 am

David Smith wrote:This conversation stops here

THANK YOU.

Pie_in_the_Sky · Post by **Pie_in_the_Sky** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 11:05 am

YES, I am going to buy the DVD, in fact I can't wait for it to get released and hit the shops. I was so lucky to have attended the gig on July 21st 1990 in Berlin. So perhaps I am rather biased.

Lots of people seem to bash the concert, and in particular Roger for making it some kind of all star show. I just want to comment on a few things. If you have seen the video, you haven't seen the actual concert. The latter was in fact worse than the video release, there were several technical hick-ups, sound was poor on Potzdamer Platz itself, and Cindy Lauper.. hehe What can I say? That was awefull. Then the backup singers on "Mother", Levon Helm and Rick Danko (formely of 'The Band').. well, technically not too good to. But thats NOT the POINT!!

Once asked i an interview if Roger would ever stage The Wall again, he replied (something along the line of) "Hahaha.. Yeah, if the Berlin wall comes down". A couple of years later it actually did, which no one could dream of at the time of the interview. So Roger kept his 'promise' and went ahead with it. He chose several of the co-performers, for instance Levon Helm, Rick Danko and Garth Hudson (yeah, The Band!)... Roger is quite a fan of The Band, and stated their concert film 'The Last Waltz' as his favourite gig footage. Van Morrison (Comfortably Numb).. The man is a legend in his own.. He's got a very distinctive way of singing, and I think he's done a wonderful job in Berlin.

This show was not a Pink Floyd copy of the 1980/81 shows!!! Its a totally different gig, with different intentions. Involvement of the former East and West Berlin's City councils, The Soviet Army... Its a wonderful thought that it was possible so soon after the fall of the Berlin wall 6 months before Waters' performance...

Then there's the location that was chosen: Potzdamer Platz... A very historical loaded site. Once heart of the city, in WWII it had Hitlers bunkers underneath, and after the Wall was build in the early sixties, it turned into very dangerous no-mans land. Lots of people were shot here, trying to escape from the 'East' to the 'West'... In preperations of the concert, the field had to be cleared from WWII ammunition, that resulted in the place ending up as a dust ground on that very hot day in July 1990 (thirty years of weed killer didn't make things more pleasant either

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The atmosphere in Berlin and on Potzdamer Platz itself was AMAZING! The grim feeling of opposites East and West, was still hanging around all over... And then the spectators! It was wonderful sharing it all with people from all over the world... Comparisons with 'Woodstock' were made, and I can certainly see why... It was a big union of people eager to see the show, and people celebrating that it was now actually possible to stage something like this on a place like that!

All this doesn't show on any recording, whether video, CD or the upcoming DVD.... The whole thing was too big to capture anyway... So I don't blame you if you bash the concert only judging it by the released double CD and/or the video.... Just try to imagine what it was all about, and try to comprehend what was going on in Europe and Berlin in particular at the time.. Thats why Roger did it, thats why he did it the way he saw fit. He did a great job, no doubt about it... Could it have been better? Yes of course! But this was a one time preformance, very complicated with all those guests performing, rehearsals must have been a nightmare, its not like a world wide tour done by people who work very close together, its not perfect, far from it! However: it is a musical monument, it deserves credit for that alone! If you can't see that, and just compare it with past Wall / Floyd shows... just forget about it! Simple as that.... As for me and hundred of thousands of others... We're gonna enjoy it, if only for the memory of the day itself....

Real Pink in the Inside · Tue Apr 15, 2003 4:55 pm

Yet Another Movie wrote:And if you're going to say "oooh, the post-Waters Floyd was all about money!", well when you get right down to it, so was the Waters era Floyd. I guarentee you that money was the main reason Pink Floyd ever tried to make it big as a band, and was the only reason they continued through some of the hard times they had (I.E. the Atom Heart Mother sessions, the Wish You Were Here sessions, etc).

I think Mosespa said it best when he said, "Roger was the art behind the commerce."

That's all I have to say about that (I don't wanna break any rules!)

Post by **Keith Jordan** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 4:58 pm

Real Pink in the Inside wrote:
Yet Another Movie wrote:And if you're going to say "oooh, the post-Waters Floyd was all about money!", well when you get right down to it, so was the Waters era Floyd. I guarentee you that money was the main reason Pink Floyd ever tried to make it big as a band, and was the only reason they continued through some of the hard times they had (I.E. the Atom Heart Mother sessions, the Wish You Were Here sessions, etc).
I think Mosespa said it best when he said, "Roger was the art behind the commerce."

That's all I have to say about that (I don't wanna break any rules!)

Good idea Rpiti.

I think that making money is a healthy thing for a band to do to a degree. But I thibk the majority of musicians that last more than 10 years commercially are probably ones whose heart is in the right place with the music. Music is the soul of me, i know that.

Real Pink in the Inside · Tue Apr 15, 2003 4:58 pm

Pie_in_the_Sky wrote:YES, I am going to buy the DVD, in fact I can't wait for it to get released and hit the shops. I was so lucky to have attended the gig on July 21st 1990 in Berlin. So perhaps I am rather biased.

Lucky you. I still haven't seen Roger live. I would have loved to have seen him in Berlin (I wasn't a fan of Floyd at the time...Heck, I was only six years old!)

Great comments.

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