The Wall - Live In Berlin DVD

[pfco]

Funny, but I always thought that that was why bands tried to be successful..to make money. ? I mean, it's their job...how they pay the bills and put the food on the table, no? So instead of being bankers, or grocery store managers they play instruments and sing for their living. And many want-to-be-rock-stars are now working in Radio Shacks than being on stage and doing what they love, to bring home the paycheck. And if you think about it, at the end of the day, it's the fans who dictate who stays up on stage and in the studio....if fans did not love the music they sure wouldn't buy the product. Anyone who can have a career they love and enjoy and provides them and their families a good and decent living I say more power to them...because how many people can honestly make the same claim...not many, in fact majority rules in this case.

Sandy

[drafsack]

I might as well as Ive got everything else and like i said in another related post I might see myself in the audience (but I doubt it)

[Keith Jordan]

Funny, but I always thought that that was why bands tried to be successful..to make money. ? I mean, it's their job...how they pay the bills and put the food on the table, no? So instead of being bankers, or grocery store managers they play instruments and sing for their living. And many want-to-be-rock-stars are now working in Radio Shacks than being on stage and doing what they love, to bring home the paycheck. And if you think about it, at the end of the day, it's the fans who dictate who stays up on stage and in the studio....if fans did not love the music they sure wouldn't buy the product. Anyone who can have a career they love and enjoy and provides them and their families a good and decent living I say more power to them...because how many people can honestly make the same claim...not many, in fact majority rules in this case.

Sandy

I am in a band and I do not want to make too much money. Enough to have fun but what matters to me is lifestyle, expressing oneself through music, being able to share my thoughts, feelings and ideas and building the ego a little through fans knowing my songs etc!

I do not know any of my friends who are in bands and successful who are in it for the money. Perhaps in popular music where people may be considered a little more shallow but not in jazz, soul, meaningful rock/pop etc. If being in a band has become a "job" then it is time to stop. It is an honour and a privilidge to be able to play for your audience but not a job.

The band does play to the audience but, in my opinion, does not work for them although, looking at it from the filthiest of perspectives from a record company/business model perspective, the fans provide the revenue streams to make the productions possible and economically viable.

I suppose in summary, a musician fits into a machine, the business machine, which has supply and demand, tickets, merchandise, CDs etc and this enables the performers to perorm to their audiences as well as making a few poeople a lot of money. Slightly corrupt but acceptable nonetheless.

[Pugs on the Wing]

...what matters to me is lifestyle, expressing oneself through music, being able to share my thoughts, feelings and ideas...

I think that is what is important to artists...all kind of artists, regardless of the media they choose to express themselves.

I know musicians who totally self-finance their album creation. What is important to them is their art, not making money, and they sacrifice money to continue doing what they love.

It is very difficult, especially in these times, to survive as an artist/writer/musician. We find means to do our art nonetheless, if that is what is important to us. Or we find other media in which to express ourselves. Writing poetry costs virtually nothing. If we don't express ourselves despite adversity, then we weren't very passionate about it to begin with.

[jizhomer]

I'm still undecided on this one

It takes me a while to get used to hearing someone else singing Rog's bits at Dave's (and the Floyd's) gigs, and likewise the line up of new musicians at Rog's gigs.

From what I've heard there's a ruddy great list of guests on this, so I'm just not sure.

[pfco]

I am in a band and I do not want to make too much money.

Sorry, I suppose I must not have made myself clear. I was referencing "professional" musicians...those people who are successful and making enough money to support themselves doing what they love. There are those who do it for the love or fun of it knowing very well they will never be another "Pink Floyd" and those who do it for the love and fun of it but have very different ambitions..and of *those* not many succeed enough to be able to make it their only career. This is why I said....isn't making money part of the job? and since it is, the complaint about a band who has been doing their job for over 20 years and wants to continue doing the job they love have every right to make money. There is no moral imperative that can be placed on anyone to stop doing what they love and make their living with just because someone else thinks they should.

Sandy

[Real Pink in the Inside]

I respect artists(musicians)/athletes who knew when to call it a day. For example, John Elway did "the right thing" when he retired as a champion. The Beatles did "the right thing" when they retired the name while they were practically at the top of their game (It has clearly added to their "legacy." They're still making it on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine once a year!). On the other hand, you have dinosaur acts, like the Rolling Stones for example, that are seemingly only in it for the you-know-what Obviously people are entitled to drive the group name they own into the ground if they feel like it. However, it is also true that fans can say to them, "Hey, perhaps it is time to give it up, guys? The dream is over (As John Lennon said in "God"). What happened to integrity?"

What do you guy think?

[Pugs on the Wing]

What do you guy think?

Knowing when to quit when you're ahead: Seinfeld

Not knowing when to call it quits: The X-Files

[Tommy]

Jerry Seinfeld is a genious for going out at the top, he knew that he had run out of ideas, and he wanted to be true to himself i guess and just quit, despite being offered something like 80 milliion for another season. alot of people think the Simpsons should have called it quits a few years ago, but i still think they are funny, though not as much so as before. any other Simpsons fans in here?

[David Smith]

I'm a simpsons fan, but i have to disagree, the story's are just rubbishy now. At first the shows could have been performed by actors and that wasa good thing, now it's just to over the top.

Still better than almost every other show though, so why complain i guess.

[Keith Jordan]

I respect artists(musicians)/athletes who knew when to call it a day. For example, John Elway did "the right thing" when he retired as a champion. The Beatles did "the right thing" when they retired the name while they were practically at the top of their game (It has clearly added to their "legacy." They're still making it on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine once a year!). On the other hand, you have dinosaur acts, like the Rolling Stones for example, that are seemingly only in it for the you-know-what Obviously people are entitled to drive the group name they own into the ground if they feel like it. However, it is also true that fans can say to them, "Hey, perhaps it is time to give it up, guys? The dream is over (As John Lennon said in "God"). What happened to integrity?"

What do you guy think?

Writing whilst paying close attention to the forum rules, there are many circumstances when, after one band member leaving, the whole band should cease, but this, in my opinion at least, is not the case with Pink Floyd as they ALL contributed a lot through the history of the band. Rpiti, I do not want the statistics posting again or an argument but they all did contribute a lot and, if one decided to leave, the rest should be able to carry on making music under the brand name they have created.

[Spinoza]

I respect artists(musicians)/athletes who knew when to call it a day. For example, John Elway did "the right thing" when he retired as a champion. The Beatles did "the right thing" when they retired the name while they were practically at the top of their game (It has clearly added to their "legacy." They're still making it on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine once a year!). On the other hand, you have dinosaur acts, like the Rolling Stones for example, that are seemingly only in it for the you-know-what Obviously people are entitled to drive the group name they own into the ground if they feel like it. However, it is also true that fans can say to them, "Hey, perhaps it is time to give it up, guys? The dream is over (As John Lennon said in "God"). What happened to integrity?"

What do you guy think?

Problem is that you can't know the exact moment to retire. There is no formula. As long as you can do your job right ( which in the case of athletes who get older, will be difficult ), you can go on. People should stop when the only emotion they can unleash from the fans is "pity/compassion".

[Real Pink in the Inside]

I respect artists(musicians)/athletes who knew when to call it a day. For example, John Elway did "the right thing" when he retired as a champion. The Beatles did "the right thing" when they retired the name while they were practically at the top of their game (It has clearly added to their "legacy." They're still making it on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine once a year!). On the other hand, you have dinosaur acts, like the Rolling Stones for example, that are seemingly only in it for the you-know-what Obviously people are entitled to drive the group name they own into the ground if they feel like it. However, it is also true that fans can say to them, "Hey, perhaps it is time to give it up, guys? The dream is over (As John Lennon said in "God"). What happened to integrity?"

What do you guy think?

Writing whilst paying close attention to the forum rules, there are many circumstances when, after one band member leaving, the whole band should cease, but this, in my opinion at least, is not the case with Pink Floyd as they ALL contributed a lot through the history of the band. Rpiti, I do not want the statistics posting again or an argument but they all did contribute a lot and, if one decided to leave, the rest should be able to carry on making music under the brand name they have created.

Did I mention Pink Floyd? I thought we were speaking in general here. Maybe I should just leave this forum because it's getting a little ridiculous. I can't even go making comments about bands in general while people can slag Tony Blair and George W. Bush all they like

[Keith Jordan]

Did I mention Pink Floyd? Maybe I should just leave this forum because it's getting a little ridiculous. You're turning into you-know-who, Keith.

Could you show me where I said you were talking about Pink Floyd? I was talking about the floyd and staying within the rules. You can come and go as you please.

[Real Pink in the Inside]

"Obviously people are entitled to drive the group name they own into the ground if they feel like it."