Rogers Political stance

Mr_Flesh · Post by **Mr_Flesh** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:43 pm

Unfortunately this happens even in America furthermore in all places of the world the people gets his way to the graveyard when they attempt to express their political believes. How you can forget that Martin Luther King died because of that, I don't want to make a list with the bunch of others just like... The people easily forget...

Machina · Post by **Machina** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:14 am

I have boots of this tour and seen 1 gig so far on this tour and My impression was they were booing Bush .The same thing happens when Roger does Mother and he sings the line "Mother should I trust the Government" Some people Boo and others shout "NO".Some might be booing in an agreeing kind of way.Just a thought.Then again they might bee booing Roger because some people are just plain stupid and are brainwashed by the media.If you think invading Iraq has anything to do with 9:11 then your sadly mistaken.Even bush will admit that they invaded Afghanistan to look for Bin Laden because of horrific 9:11 attack not Iraq..As for the song "leaving Beirut" Beirut and Lebanon are engaged in a conflict with Israel and I can't see why roger is using the song to attack Bush even though the UK and USA support Isreal it has little to do directly with any music fans in Roger audience.Who's in the Wrong ? ,Probably everyone in someway.

b.king · Post by **b.king** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:42 am

"Who's in the Wrong ? ,Probably everyone in someway"

good point. Human beings are flawed creatures.

Post by **henno** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:56 am

ok... ive probably a hidden agenda here.....

ive respected roger for years for being political and influential.....

but at the same time ive hated the fact that david gilmours been 'on the fence'... when it comes to fairly worldly opinions... exacerbated by the...'im in love with you......, so am i' lyrics of On an Island.....

all the morre reason for me to await rogers next album !!!!!!!!!!!!

blueeyes · Post by **blueeyes** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:22 pm

cymbaline212 wrote:when i saw him, when he said something about bush during leaving beirut along the lines of "that texas education must have fucked you up" every1 cheered so i doubt he will be hearing any cheers if he visits texas

First and foremost, most of us Texans know he's right.

I cracked up the first time I heard it. Let's put it this way, I attended a private, Catholic school from K-8. Ninth grade I moved on to a public high school and took 5th and 6th grade classes.

Right now I'm dealing with school administration, trying to get my eldest son in some better classes. Because he passed the TAKS test in the top 99% of the state, there's really nothing out there for him. They teach the test, and since he's BTDT he's screwed and still doing damn 5th grade work in 7th.... He's so bored he's taken to writing a book. And it's based on Syd. Teacher's not amused.

I'd be curious to see statistics on the percentage of homeschooling families in Texas compared to the rest of the country.

The public schools here are a joke.

To illustrate to what kind of stupidity we see here on a daily basis... English class is a requirement for graduation. There are a LARGE number of students at my son's school who only know how to say 'No English' whenever they're asked a question. Therefore instead of tossing their butts in remedial classes or ESL where they would be taught English, they put them in the regular English classes, and EVEN THE AP classes and the taxpayers pay for an English to Spanish interpreter, so they can take their English class in Spanish. Yes, they get an English to Spanish interpreter to get them through their English class. Their English text book is in Spanish, and all their schoolwork is in Spanish. And the kids waiting for them to catch up suffer. Go figure.

That would be like me hitting up the French class and demanding they teach me French in English.

Second, he's not coming 'round here that I've seen, at least not to DFW.

MadJedi · Post by **MadJedi** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:17 pm

politics will kill a career...
dixie chicks....
i like the music and really dont care what they feel as far as politics go, but wouldnt want to go to some anti bush or anti whoever concert. i want to go for the music not a pollitical rally. i think he should stick to what he knows, music, and leave his political feeling out. maybe this is a reason why gilmour doesnt want to reunite floyd with waters becouse of the politics in the concert type antics? (gilmour seems to be about playing music not alot of political statements)
yes i know it is in his music and a big part of his inspiration, but the bush/pig bit isnt really needed, and he will lose out some fans for it, but i dont think he cares. i do have to say hes got big uh... kahonies? for it, but do i admire him for it? not me.

Jascierto · Post by **Jascierto** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:21 pm

I was at the shoreline show on 10/10 and the political aspects of the show got a rousing ovation--and I loved every minute of it. It's really touching to be in an environment with like-minded folks.

Anybody who's surprised by his political stance hasn't been paying attention. I disagree with the previous poster who says he should just be a musician and leave the politics at home. Would you have told Bob Dylan the same thing 45 years ago? Anyone who's heard the final cut (not to mention animals, the wall etc.) or ATD should know better than to expect roger to be a good little musician monkey. If all you want to do is pound your fist in the air to the guitar solo of comfortably numb, that's your agenda. But to suggest that Roger should tone down his act because you don't like the political overtones is just plain ignorant. In the words of Cobain "he likes to sing along, but he don't know what it means"

There used to be a time when rock music was dangerous, revolutionary, challenging. Today's corporate rock is so heavily sanitized that we regard the dixie chicks as revolutionaries (?!).

Jedi writes: maybe this is a reason why gilmour doesnt want to reunite floyd with waters becouse of the politics in the concert type antics? (gilmour seems to be about playing music not alot of political statements)"

Gilmour is only about playing music, which is why his wife (and previously, a cast of thousands) had to write his lyrics for him. And after all the crap rog and dave have been through, the reasons they don't want to reunite probably stretch beyond Rog's anti-Bush stance. It's overdetermined--there's more to it than that.

Jedi says the bush/pig thing isn't really needed. I disagree. It's needed now more than ever. We live in a climate where, if you tell people you read the New York Times, they'll say "Why do you hate America?" That's what our national debate has descended to--rehashed talking points, animosity, blame. Rog has balls. I admire him for it. It's courageous. If you don't like to be challenged, listen to top 40 radio.

Groovybass77 · Post by **Groovybass77** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:46 pm

If the a majority of the people in this good country just sit there and whine about this terrible administration and do absolutely nothing, who will do something about it? Should we just ignore the fact that the war Dubblya started has increased the violence and threat to people than lowered it? Roger knows that what he is doing is good and that he can do something about it. If people wont listen to a dead soldiers mother, maybe they might listen to an influential rock star who has lived through conflicts in war and politics.

peesea · Post by **peesea** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:19 am

b.king wrote:You see, that's what freedom is. Do you realize that you can be killed for voicing your own political beliefs in most of the world.

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It always makes me laugh when americans try to hold court on what it means to live in a free country...the same country that had a constitution that starts with the funniest lines ever..."we the people". As if the White anglo-saxons that wrote it had any clue about what freedom meant to the people...native americans, blacks and woman that were all denied votes and human rights, not only then...but right up until very recently. America was apartheid in my lifetime...land of the free my hairy butt crack.
Just ask any arab people how free they feel in the US right now...

Americans really have no idea why the rest of the world holds such a low opinion of them...really they need to wake the fuck up, pull their heads out of their arses and get the hell out of Iraq.

EDIT: No flaming. Gem

peesea · Post by **peesea** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:21 am

Oh, and Rogers political stance seems strangely mixed. He holds some very conservative views and some very liberal ones. At least this shows he's his own man I guess

Freddie Mercury · Post by **Freddie Mercury** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:32 am

I guess I've never held it against Roger, Barbara Streisand, Dixie Chicks, etc. to vocalize their political stances. I think part of the drive for someone to become an accomplished entertainer, or gain success in any field, is so they can then have more influence when it comes to trying to change the world for at least what they think is the better. Of course it doesn't mean that radio stations have to still play their music or that fans have to stick by them either, but I don't think musicians need to stay out of these things personally....

nemesis11f · Post by **nemesis11f** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:05 pm

peesea wrote:
b.king wrote:You see, that's what freedom is. Do you realize that you can be killed for voicing your own political beliefs in most of the world.
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It always makes me laugh when americans try to hold court on what it means to live in a free country...the same country that had a constitution that starts with the funniest lines ever..."we the people". As if the White anglo-saxons that wrote it had any clue about what freedom meant to the people...native americans, blacks and woman that were all denied votes and human rights, not only then...but right up until very recently. America was apartheid in my lifetime...land of the free my hairy butt crack.
Just ask any arab people how free they feel in the US right now...

Americans really have no idea why the rest of the world holds such a low opinion of them...really they need to wake the fuck up, pull their heads out of their arses and get the hell out of Iraq.

EDIT: No flaming. Gem

Hey, New Zealand, just like to point something out here. I know that way down there in the southern hemisphere, global politics seem far off, but you know, when Serbia occupied Kosovo, nobody called New Zealand. When Iraq invades Kuwait, no one calls Sweden. The first country that came to the scene (not saying anything, as we showed up just in time to see the end of the genocide- Go Clinton!), was- you guessed it, The United States!! (Still, you have a point: we should leave Iraq. And once our last troops and embassy personnel have been evacuated, we can nuke that goddamn "country" and finish the job with Windex.)

We may not appreciate being "the world's policeman", but you know what, for all you irrelevant countries that rail on us for not minding our own buisness seem to love calling in our help to sort out your sordid affairs, and fight your damn wars for you. I don't get it; New Zealand is not THAT far away from Austrailia, how in the hell can you be so opposed? Yes, I know I am overgeneralizing, but then again, it doesn't matter, since idiots such as yourself think that all Americans are like me anyway. Nice way to be a hypocrite, fool.

You foreigners take for granted the concept of "freedom". You want to know a country that knows how to appreciate freedom? POLAND. I don't hear Poles pissing in their pants about "racial inequality" in America, or one nation's efforts to help rid the entire world (that means you, too, New Zealand), as they have had too much experience with servitude, so they appreciate even the most rudimentary freedoms.

Oh, and I love your little quip about "denied rights...until recently". Obviously dumb fucks like you don't bother researching anything before you start flapping your gums. Now, Women (In America, that is. In most of the world, women still can't vote, but then again you view the world as the space around New Zealand, who gives a shit about the rest) have had the right to vote since 1921; that's 85 years ago. Blacks have had the right to vote since 1865, and were recognized as valid citizens and people since 1865. Native Americans have always held voting rights, you arrogant cock, and since our government decided they'd had enough of forcibly relocating them, they have been free to relocate themselves and live as they wish, and the first Indians appeared in the GOVERNMENT, as in CONGRESS and the SENATE in the mid 1800s. So, your idea of "very recently" is, at the very least, 85 years ago? You stupid fool, 85 years may be nothing in comparison to nations like England or France, but for a 300 year old country that means a lot more than you think.

You see, the nice thing about freedom, is that you have the right to be an ass to Americans, or anyone for that matter, and not appreciate things like us bailing your asses out of WWII (No slight against Austrailia, I'm on a New Zealand rant here), or letting your nation dictate terms to us in the UN, which is located where? IN NEW YORK! HOLY SHIT! Don't even get me started on how much the world owes America, don't even get me started. It is pathetic to think that we allow ourselves to be weak and vacillatory, and let one nation play us off another in global politics. Instead of doing something helpful to the world by killing off despots in Russia, tyrants in Africa, and militant socialists in South America, we give them the money and weapons to not only destroy us, but you know what, New Zealand? Muslims who might like to blow themselves up view your excuse for a nation as western, too. Guess that means we'll have to bail you out of that problem if it arises, too.

My blood pressure is about to hit the ceiling, so I shall not say anymore. But you know, you really dissapoint me; you're more ignorant than the average American, yet you think you know all. Well, that's the beauty of the freedom you mock, it covers your ass for you. You have to live with yourself, I'm not sure I could. Fool.

J Ed · Post by **J Ed** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:55 pm

thanks for ranting
if youd like to rant some more, perhaps you could tell us foreigners why it took the Worlds Policeman until 1942 to enter WWII

Sonic Destruction · Post by **Sonic Destruction** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:56 pm

Hey, take it easy

There are 4 000 000 people in New Zealand and we don't all think the same. If you are ever down this way (and you are welcome

), I think you will find that the average Kiwi is just like the average American; just trying to do their best and get on with life.

ANZUS and nuclear ships notwithstanding, NZ and the US have generally had pretty strong links in terms of trade and defence, and I like to think that the two countries are still allies.

I can understand your frustrations. If the US takes an isolationist policy, the rest of the world blames them for doing nothing; if they intervene, the rest of the world accuses them of meddling or worse. Or anyway, that's what the media tells us.

Just for the record, one of my best friends recently returned from an Iraqi tour of duty with the US Airforce. Reading his e-mails back here, I have nothing but respect for the guys having to do the fighting, regardless of what I think of the international politics.

nemesis11f · Post by **nemesis11f** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:01 pm

I agree, and I am sorry if I did get a little carried away; I honestly have nothing against New Zealanders, or most people for that matter. I guess I just needed to vent, and it IS frustrating to be blamed for everything, and then blamed for doing nothing

. I think it comes down to respect, if nothing else, and people obviously don't repsect each other as much as they should. You dont gotta like each other, but when a bunch of old farts and idiots in the Executive and Legislative branches decide to fight a war and send off our "youth" to fight it, don't blame the youth. Thanks for being rational

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**Oh, and it took us until 1942 because we tried doing what you foreigners wanted us to do then which was mind our own buisness. Also, these guys called Nips bombed a place called Pearl Harbor, without a formal declaration of war, and kinda not only killed a lot of hapless seamen, but also strafed hospitals and bombed homes, as well. If you're from England, I would hope you at least recognize that since 1935, we had this deal going called "lend-lease", where we sent you literally hundreds of destroyers and cruisers in return for some naval bases. Our own factories continued to manufacture shells and armor for the Nazis until 1942, some even after then. We sent military advisors over to Europe in 1940, and managed to send thousands of innocent Jewish refugees to their deaths by turning them away. We were involved from the get-go.