Piper 2007 Remaster... how it compares (not safe for dialup)

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Piper 2007 Remaster... how it compares (not safe for dialup)

Post by Demolition Man » Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:04 am

Here's a few screencaps of the waveforms from a few tracks from the new remaster of Piper compared to other versions out there. Enjoy.

"Lucifer Sam" mono mix

1997 EMI Mono CD - Mastered By Chris Blair
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2007 Capitol Mono CD - Mastered By James Guthree
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2007 My Remaster (Source = 1997 EMI Mono CD)
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Re: Piper 2007 Remaster... how it compares (not safe for dialup)

Post by Demolition Man » Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:06 am

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Re: Piper 2007 Remaster... how it compares (not safe for dialup)

Post by olzen » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:01 am

The Loudness War is one of the most stupid things ever. What's the fucking point? At least, Guthrie's mono mix isn't as painfully distorted as Blair's. That old waveform is really painful to look at! How does the stereo mix fare?

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Re: Piper 2007 Remaster... how it compares (not safe for dialup)

Post by Demolition Man » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:34 am

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I haven't listened to the stereo CD yet so I can't comment.

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Re: Piper 2007 Remaster... how it compares (not safe for dialup)

Post by Keith Jordan » Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:31 am

The new mix sounds beautiful and everything has been placed nicely in the mix and the sounds are a lot clearer. The overcompressed original release sounds good, but the new one is so much better! It is quite painful to see the chart for the originals!! haha Thanks for sharing!

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Re: Piper 2007 Remaster... how it compares (not safe for dialup)

Post by Demolition Man » Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:12 pm

The new Guthree master on "Piper" itself is still a bit too loud for my tastes. Still far better than the 1997 Chris Blair botchjob that's for sure.

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Re: Piper 2007 Remaster... how it compares (not safe for dialup)

Post by Chris Moise » Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:22 pm

Keith Jordan wrote:The new mix sounds beautiful and everything has been placed nicely in the mix and the sounds are a lot clearer. The overcompressed original release sounds good, but the new one is so much better! It is quite painful to see the chart for the originals!! haha Thanks for sharing!
It's not a new mix, just a different mastering. The only iteration of Piper that can be described as "overcompressed" is the 1997 30th Anniversary mono edition.

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Post by Keith Jordan » Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:35 pm

Sounds like a different mix in parts. Mmm. Perhaps they did destroy the 1997 version to the point they made it sound like it had a different mix! :lol:

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Re: Piper 2007 Remaster... how it compares (not safe for dialup)

Post by my breakfast. » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:54 pm

They made the first mono CD too damn loud on the mix, and its clipping by the looks of things.

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Re: Piper 2007 Remaster... how it compares (not safe for dialup)

Post by Chris Moise » Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:10 pm

Keith Jordan wrote:Sounds like a different mix in parts. Mmm. Perhaps they did destroy the 1997 version to the point they made it sound like it had a different mix! :lol:
It's the same mix. There are only 2 Piper mixes. 1967 mono and 1967 stereo. You're right though, the new version of the mono mix is a huge sonic upgrade over the 1997 version..

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Post by ESLAFTK2112 » Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:00 am

I didn't know that PF had little to do with the 1997 PatGoD mono remaster save the artwork. I heard the original mono from vinyl and realized the 1997 mono PatGoD's version of Flaming was missing several seconds. Chris Blair, may he RIP, was the same guy who remastered the Genesis catalog in 1994. James Guthrie was busy remastering the 1975-87 catalog of PF's during 1997 for their release in the US market as PF were on EMI in Europe and Columbia/Sony for the US. The Columbia remasters from 1997 trumped the 1994 EMI issues (in 2000, the Columbia remasters were re-released with the EMI repackage jobs by Capitol).