"Saucerful" on CD - defective??

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Re: "Saucerful" on CD - defective??

Post by danielcaux » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:08 pm

Yes, Shine On and the american Capitol 90s remaster are the only versions with the Doug Sax remaster...

Here are the promised clips, all of them are from between 2:10 and 2:45 in the song, the glitch occurs around 2:27 and 2:35 in the song, so in these clips it would be around the 17 and 25 second mark.

Edit: a little update, many thanks to Wolfpack for sharing with me a file of STCFTHOTS from the Shine On boxset (Doug Sax remaster) I just added it to the clips below. Sadly this version also has the patch around 2:28 though :( But apart from that it has great sound quality. Sounds very similar to the new Guthrie 2011 remaster, which I also added as a clip.



EMI 94 "Remastered" CD: http://snd.sc/tN4zEy

This is the version with the most obnoxious glitch. In order to "fix" the damaged part between 2:29 and 2:35 they just patched a rough and amplified clip of the next 5 seconds (2:35 - 2:40)

Shine On Boxset (Doug Sax 1992 Remaster): http://snd.sc/uADbeA

The real remaster, the patch sounds just like the one described in the Echoes version below. Overall it's also a better sounding remaster of the song compared to the EMI version released two years later. It has more clarity, just compare the cymbals (gong?) at the beginning of each sample, the EMI version is very murky while this one has richer high ends. Just like the Echoes and Discovery CDs the EQ here is closer to the bright Works version than to the dark sound of the EMI CD.

Echoes Best Of: http://snd.sc/tmbKN4

Here they half fixed the glitch, replacing the damaged part with a proper patch from the right segment, but you still can hear the pops where the patch begins and ends and funny stereo balance between 2:27 and 2:35. The drums suddenly jump from the left channel to the center, and the vibes jump from the center to the right channel. The left channel sounds kinda chopped and far in the distance. Compare that with the Works version where everything stays in place or flows evenly from side to side.

2011 Discovery CD (James Guthrie 2011 Remaster): http://snd.sc/ubfFd8

Almost identical to the Doug Sax 1992 remaster, it even has the same pops and tape noises in the exact same places of the Shine On version.

Works CD: http://snd.sc/swJX1M

This is how it should sound. No glitch there -- but a little more hiss than in the others.

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Re: "Saucerful" on CD - defective??

Post by Wolfpack » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:17 pm

You're welcome! Many thanks for your comparison.
danielcaux wrote:[STCFTHOTS from the Shine On boxset (Doug Sax remaster)] Sadly this version also has the patch around 2:28 though :( But apart from that it has great sound quality. Sounds very similar to the new Guthrie 2011 remaster, which I also added as a clip.
If they need a patch, then why don't they use a sample of the 'Works' transfer? The little more hiss might be less distracting than some of the edits they made by reusing a part from elsewhere.

What has happened with this tape? Why do they need a patch? Has the master tape been damaged after 'Works'? Or does 'Works' use a copy? I guess there must be lots of copies. All they all worser than the loss of a part of the recording?

Is there someone here who can forward these questions to someone who has been involved in the CD transfers?

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Re: "Saucerful" on CD - defective??

Post by everton1690 » Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:23 pm

cant say ive listened to it in the past 25 years