The truth about Rick Wright's contribution on The Wall

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Re: The truth about Rick Wright's contribution on The Wall

Post by duffOnTheRun » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:07 am

Flathead wrote:Good stuff! Thanks for posting. This logical and reasonable post from a music industry professional should end the debate.
Thank you! I'm not necessarily agree with all of these rules, but that's how the music business works.

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Re: The truth about Rick Wright's contribution on The Wall

Post by Flathead » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:25 am

duffOnTheRun wrote:
Flathead wrote:Good stuff! Thanks for posting. This logical and reasonable post from a music industry professional should end the debate.
Thank you! I'm not necessarily agree with all of these rules, but that's how the music business works.
Exactly. It's not about whether you or I agree with the rules.

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Re: The truth about Rick Wright's contribution on The Wall

Post by Kerry King » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:33 am

There are no rules in the music industry. Money is the rule. If you sue and win it's not about rules.
Bill Wyman came up with the main riff in Jumping Jack flash. Jagger and Richards made it a song and chose not to share credit. There were no rules. They had the power. Wyman went along with it.
Dennis Wilson helped Billy Preston write the number one hit You Are So beautiful. He gave it to Preston. Never took a credit.
On and on it goes.

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Re: The truth about Rick Wright's contribution on The Wall

Post by Kerry King » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:35 am

duffOnTheRun wrote:Question for Kerry King: Are you happy in your life?
Only when I'm obsessing over a long dead musical group whose surviving members have been fleecing their fans for 3 decades.

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Re: The truth about Rick Wright's contribution on The Wall

Post by Hudini » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:22 am

duffOnTheRun wrote:Whoever created the melody is considered the composer.
Let me get this straight. What this practically means is that when person A comes up with chord sequences, tempo and key changes and solos, and then person B creates a vocal melody, then only person B is credited for composing? With all due respect, this is completely unfair.

I have been a musician myself for years, though I am not playing any more. I won't claim to have had any particular success, but I have had several songs registered with SOKOJ (Serbian association of composers), primarily as a composer. The rule here is that a composition credit goes to the person who wrote the music, including chord sequences, time signatures, tempo and key changes and/or riffs. Solos and vocal melodies are considered extended arrangements, which means that they may be considered composition but not necessarily. There is no real consensus, but it's a general practice here that if you write a solo instead of improvising it over finished music, it must be acknowledged.

Since now I am pretty much convinced that there is no real and strict rule on this, and that what's considered composing is a completely subjective matter, I'll end my involvement in this discussion here. There's no point in defending a subjective opinion as if it was a universal truth.

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Re: The truth about Rick Wright's contribution on The Wall

Post by duffOnTheRun » Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:37 pm

Hudini wrote:
duffOnTheRun wrote:Whoever created the melody is considered the composer.
Let me get this straight. What this practically means is that when person A comes up with chord sequences, tempo and key changes and solos, and then person B creates a vocal melody, then only person B is credited for composing? With all due respect, this is completely unfair.

When Mr. A writes a chord sequence and then Mr. B writes a melody over it, both Mrs. A & B are credited as composer, but melody prime. Unfortunately in music business, a lot of Mr. B don't want to share credit. That's it for "popular music". For instrumental music, credit sharing are more inclusives.

So, if you write a chord sequence and a melody, nothing prevents you to share your credit with a drummer for his drum pattern and a guitarist for his solo, it's up to you.

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Re: The truth about Rick Wright's contribution on The Wall

Post by Kerry King » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:19 pm

duffOnTheRun wrote: For instrumental music, credit sharing are more inclusives.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Case in point: Free Jazz by Ornette Coleman. It includes a section of solo bass. The song itself is over 35 minutes long. Everyone is improvising. Writing credit is given to Ornette Coleman alone.

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Re: The truth about Rick Wright's contribution on The Wall

Post by The Gunner's Dream » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:45 pm

Ornette Coleman's music sounds like a drunken jazz ensemble that failed to tune the winds and brass before playing. Hilarious, in a word.

Though intellectually stimulating in a pretentiously "hip" sort of way.

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Re: The truth about Rick Wright's contribution on The Wall

Post by Kerry King » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:51 pm

It doesn't change the fact that the music is being spontaneously improvised yet only one man takes a writing credit.

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Re: The truth about Rick Wright's contribution on The Wall

Post by The Gunner's Dream » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:58 pm

It is a reflection of the type of bandleader Coleman was more than anything else.

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Re: The truth about Rick Wright's contribution on The Wall

Post by Kerry King » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:06 am

Credit is in the hands of the ones who are in a position to take credit.

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Re: The truth about Rick Wright's contribution on The Wall

Post by Kerry King » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:15 am

The Gunner's Dream wrote:intellectually stimulating in a pretentiously "hip" sort of way.
I wouldn't know.

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Re: The truth about Rick Wright's contribution on The Wall

Post by henno » Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:24 pm

quit the sniping here people

debate and converse all you want, but no personal digs.

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Re: The truth about Rick Wright's contribution on The Wall

Post by SteveB » Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:28 pm

Kerry King wrote: The music industry is a cesspool.
Yep! :D

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Re: The truth about Rick Wright's contribution on The Wall

Post by Alternate » Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:40 am

I did not know this. Thank you!