Pink Floyd '1965' double 7" Black Friday 2015

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"Lucy Leave" and "I'm A King Bee" came out in 1996 on a 3'' CD packaged with a book about Syd titled A Fish Out of Water. The tracks were credited to Architectural Abdabs. The title of the Barrett's song is misspelled, and I have no idea where that "in Blue Tights" bit came from. It is also a mystery how they acquired those tracks in the first place. The books seems like a legit product.
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'Lucy Lea In Blue Tights' is a legit alternate title. Some authors argued that the 'Blue Tights' variation had some extra lyrics, but as far as we know only one version of the song ever surfaced.

Speaking of which, I'll be laying my hands on the new compilation in a few days so I'll definitely compare this 'Lucy Leave' with the one I obtained ages ago from an undisclosed location. 8)
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"Lucy Lea (in Blue Tights)" reads like a proper song title, assuming here that "Lucy Lea" is the girl's name. However lyrics-wise that is definitely not the song one is hearing (tracks on the 3'' CD from 1996 and the new 1965 EP are the same ones by the way - except for the sound quality which is far better on the later release). "Leave" in the actual song one is hearing is definitely a verb and not a part of the girl's name (she is just Lucy).

The printed 3'' CD song title is "Lucy Lea (in Blue Tight)". I assume it is a botched job, and that it should have been "Lucy Leave (in Blue Tights)". That song title is also a possibility, however it sounds too narrative to be likely. In any case, there are no blue tights on the horizon anywhere in there, so I am not sure what to make of it all.
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Update: I found something on this topic.
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Lucy Lee In Blue Tight comes from the French (and I think first) Pink Floyd biography from Jean Marie Leduc, early seventies. He was a journalist for Rock & Folk and didn't speak English very well. Several translation mistakes made it into the book. The most important one was writing that Pink Floyd was the English for Flamant Rose (or Pink Flamingo). For two decades French articles would call the band 'les Flamants Roses' and it took Rock & Folk until 1994 to apologise for calling the band after a bird.

Another mistake by Leduc was writing that Pink Floyd had issued a third single 'Apologises' or 'Apologies'. For years people (me included!) searched for that track until it was finally found out that he had simply misunderstood Apples & Oranges.

The same happened with Lucy Leave, when interviewing Nick Mason in 1973 he asked if Astronomy Domine had been their first recording. Mason answered, following Leduc (translated by me from French into English): "Not true. Our first composition was titled Lucy Lee in blue tight or something similar. We recorded it on acetate but it was never commercialised." Probably Mason said something different, like: "Our first composition was Lucy Leave, so tight I just can't breathe... or something similar..."

(More info: http://atagong.com/iggy/archives/2008/1 ... voler.html)
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He later helped write Spinal Tap the movie?
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These early songs are neither Floydish, nor necessary true Pink Floyd (by name) - let alone good songs... In fact, they are average at best (but only if placed among the achievements of average bands of that particular time), and terrible at worst.

It is odd that may "PF fans" curse MLoR, TDB, or TER (and praise this release), yet even the weakest tracks on those albums - or any of the recently released TDB session outtakes - are a million times better than this early stuff (which also suffer from technical issues - such as brutal tape glitch on one of these songs).
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Well, that's a whole lot of negative subjectivity^^

I really like those songs and Syd is one of my heroes. Any glimpse I can get into his songwriting evolution is gold (even if it would only be for historical purposes) given his very short recording career.

With many bands such as Pink Floyd, who had been there for very long, some people tend to forget the real crucial points when the band was struck by genius and only find comfort in the familiar songs or familiar patterns or familiar guitar solos. Between 1965 and 1967, something major happened to PF and it's plain as day here. If not for Syd, it's pretty likely that NOTHING of what we know and love from this band would have reached our ears. But, if you listen closely, the weirdness was already there in Syd's chord changes and lyrics. Although I quite like The Endless River, I gotta say that sometimes it wears thin on the intrinsinct quality of the songs themselves (or segments, if one would prefer to downplay it all). It's all wrapped in beautiful arrangements, sound effects, elaborate reverb and echo and perfect guitar solos - superficial attributes, if you like. To get a band going though, especially in the 60s when you had The Beatles leading the pack, you couldn't only rely on blobs and gimmicks and Syd had what it took in spades: great songs, fierce originality and a tendency to NOT rest on his laurels and go forward. I think that Pink Floyd, somewhere in the 70s ended up lacking at least one of those attributes - mostly the latter and it only got worse as time went on. I'm not saying that their later stuff wasn't good but at some point, Pink Floyd ceased to invent its sound and became content to play within its previously defined boundaries. Good music but far less exciting.
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Sorry - I might have been too harsh... I do agree in the historic importance of these recordings. My approach, however, is different; personally, I am searching for beauty in the arts, and so in music. I just did not find any beauty in these songs - while I got plenty of uplifting emotions from the cited (post-Water) albums (TER is especially full of beautifully crafted tracks - even if seems that they were polished to the extreme). And I like Waters too; right after Echoes, my favourite PF song is Julia Dream (which no one else seems to like - not even its composer) for its haunting melody and flute Mellotron sound.

Pink Floyd has become my favourite band for its unique ("Floydish") sound - which I find not in these old songs. I understand - and fully accept - that these songs have their important place in the historical progress of [one of] the greatest band[s] of all. However, I am just wondering how often fans of these songs listen to obscure but truly "Floydish" pieces, such as the very psychedelic TBS9 - or TBS14, which (in its first part) has a truly beautiful melody (thanks to David Gilmour)... or another great instrumental track, the mesmerizing opening piece of the bonus video's soundtrack on the "Colours of Infinity" DVD. Only Pink Floyd could have made such recordings - but these songs on these vinyl could have made thousand of other bands as well. Just imagine, if Pink Floyd had ceased to exist (or regarding some of these early compositions: had not been formed in the first place) back in that time - who would care for these recordings...?

P.s.: And thanks for your very thoughtful comments - which make sense to me too. Well, the two sides of the coin... :)
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Hmm... what is "TBS"?

The unique PF sound or "the PF sound" as most people call it became the band's trademark in the seventies. It is very different from the psychedelic/acid rock sound of TPatGoD, which to many of the earliest (oldest?) PF fans is just as unique. That sound is very much lost on TFC, which on the other hand marks the coming sound of Waters' solo carrier. IMO, the sound of the Gilmour-led albums is much closer to the trademark sound of the seventies and that is among other things due to Wright's comeback.
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brell wrote:Hmm... what is "TBS"?
TBS = "The Bell Session" - TDB outtakes, recorded in 1993 and released as bonus tracks in the TER box.
IMO, the sound of the Gilmour-led albums is much closer to the trademark sound of the seventies and that is among other things due to Wright's comeback.
It is my opinion too. That is why referred to TBS9, which very much sounds like an outtake from More or Ummagumma - principally due to Wright's "Floydish" keyboard (and Gilmour's subtle yet equally "Floydish" guitar) play.
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Thank you. I own the deluxe edition so I should have known ;)
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You are welcome :)
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brell wrote:Hmm... what is "TBS"?

The unique PF sound or "the PF sound" as most people call it became the band's trademark in the seventies. It is very different from the psychedelic/acid rock sound of TPatGoD, which to many of the earliest (oldest?) PF fans is just as unique. That sound is very much lost on TFC, which on the other hand marks the coming sound of Waters' solo carrier. IMO, the sound of the Gilmour-led albums is much closer to the trademark sound of the seventies and that is among other things due to Wright's comeback.
I was just thinking about that yesterday - all five classic Floyd members are key members to a bigger or lesser extent, but the most fundamental of them all was, imho, Wright; no matter the era, bar The Wall/The Final Cut, there was his keyboard wizardry very much touchable.

That is not to say, however, that Wright-less albums could automatically not be counted as PF albums because there were still other, albeit less basic, factors that made Pink Floyd. I remember our past band's lead-guitarist say that it's common for long-running artists to have their latest outputs sound very much different than debuts; just ask The Stones. But we're not used to renaming those bands, are we!? Usually we just naturally go from one sound to another thinking "the band is just not what it used to be".
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Very well put, IMO