A line in Jugband Blues...

[lostplay]

i hope all the OFF topic stuff is over
this song is god level
don't fuck with syd
or his works

1 I'm sorry if my joke offended you, but I see no need to be so dramatic about it.
2 So if you want to criticize

1 i am not offended .. i was very very understated .trust me my friend ..
2 criticize ??? please quote me ????
3 your above post shows you feel as i do . and since we both feel the same
why can't you just accept that it is painful seeing syd words fucked with .. even if you don't feel there be in fucked with ...

peace

bruce

[bpmolder]

I feel you, lostplay and I'll do you even one better. I will delete the post. I would rather it be gone than cause you pain.

Peace right back atcha, buddy!

[lostplay]

I feel you, lostplay and I'll do you even one better. I will delete the post. I would rather it be gone than cause you pain.

Peace right back atcha, buddy!

lostplay bows and raises a mailed in thanks


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[Idisaffect]

Can someone please explain to me why we need to interpret lyrics? They are already words! Jugband Blues tells us everything Syd wanted us to know. The only way to fuck with Syd is to tell other people what he meant. If you think of yourself as some sort of holy keeper of Syd Barrett, Lostplay, you better let his lyrics speak for themselves. We all project our own feelings into the words and music. No?

[lostplay]

no

[bpmolder]

no

I nominate this as the best post of the month that contains the fewest words.

Gold star on your forehead for that one, my man!

[moom]

i hope all the OFF topic stuff is over
this song is god level
------------------
many fans would feel offended by this tom foolery
===================
>>>>>> breaking down this song in to 3 parts >>>>
PART 1
It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here
And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear that I'm not here.
And I never knew the moon could be so big
And I never knew the moon could be so blue
And I'm grateful that you threw away my old shoes
And brought me here instead dressed in red
And I'm wondering who could be writing this song.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
this syd way of writing on this song is unique. for syd
for the world ... syd seems to be trapped in some fuzzy zone
band mates are complaining that he is not there ..spaced out..
syd questions his bands values against his own ..
limes 1 and 2 and 5 6 7
all the commercial aspects of rock seekin stardom shite
line 3 and 4 syd may be saying that he can still see the wonderment of it all .. how sad yet ..........lines 3 and 4 really ripp roger bad in a way .. roger has lost site of simple every day beauty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
2ND PART >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I don't care if the sun don't shine
And I don't care if nothing is mine
And I don't care if I'm nervous with you
I'll do my loving in the winter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
syd rails against all .. mostly himself .. mostly he wants some warmth ..whether he could feel it at this point is moot
syd is happy to be alone . he doesn;t need money or objects
yet a second feelin has creeped in to the song
one of endless despair sadness ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
part 3
And the sea isn't green
And I love the Queen
And what exactly is a dream
And what exactly is a joke.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

the last two line are so profound
they mean so much to all in all ways
syd simply questions humanity
questions we dare not ever attempt to ..........
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

jug band blues
syd auto-biographical song that nails his life better than any shite book about him

don't fuck with syd
or his works

Yeah

I think Syd could beyond anyone else's wild imagination.

[Idisaffect]

I don't care if the sun don't shine
and I don't care if nothing is mine
and I don't care if I'm nervous with you
I'll do my loving in the winter


INTERPRETATION:
I don't care if the sun don't shine
and I don't care if nothing is mine
and I don't care if I'm nervous with you
I'll do my loving in the winter

[Duckboy]

I don't care if the sun don't shine
and I don't care if nothing is mine
and I don't care if I'm nervous with you
I'll do my loving in the winter


INTERPRETATION:
I don't care if the sun don't shine
and I don't care if nothing is mine
and I don't care if I'm nervous with you
I'll do my loving in the winter

is this meant to be funny? or do you believe that?

[Idisaffect]

I don't care if the sun don't shine
and I don't care if nothing is mine
and I don't care if I'm nervous with you
I'll do my loving in the winter


INTERPRETATION:
I don't care if the sun don't shine
and I don't care if nothing is mine
and I don't care if I'm nervous with you
I'll do my loving in the winter

is this meant to be funny? or do you believe that?

It's meant to be funny and I believe it.
I don't care if the sun don't shine means Syd don't care if the sun don't shine. Nothing more...nothing less. Is that reasonable?

[Duckboy]

is this meant to be funny? or do you believe that?

It's meant to be funny andI believe it.

well you may have a point. people do tend to overinterprate pink floyd a lot, im not so sure in this case tho

[bpmolder]

Can someone please explain to me why we need to interpret lyrics?

Maybe it's due to not having anything new from a group and overcompensating for it by stretching the boundaries of what we do have. For one, it's human nature to notice what we believe are new, interesting things when having listened to something a million times. Most of the time, it is just a mild delusion caused by pounding the same thing into ones head over and over again.

We don't need to interpret lyrics. We need to stretch the boundaries of our own minds by using works like this as a yardstick to measure things by. As you said, we all project our own feelings into the words and music. This is what music is MEANT to do, invoke feelings within us. As a result of those feelings being invoked, we try to make sense of those feelings. During that journey of discovery and definition, we try to understand what the person meant who is communicating these things to us, invoking these feelings.

So for that reason, you are completely out of line for flaming lostplay concerning his own search for this meaning. I would suggest that you actually study these things, namely the effect that music has on the human brain and psyche, before you judge others for trying to sort things out.

[Idisaffect]

Read again, bpmolder. I never judged Lostplay. He called me stupid and told me to shut the fuck up just because he disagreed with me. I never made a personal attack on him until he attacked me. Why does he need people to come to his defense? He is alot older than I am and my posts have been well thought out. Maybe you feel sorry for him because you know something about him but you don't know me! Lostplay has a way of making it sound like he is THE authority on the meaning of Syds' lyrics and knows the DEFINITE meaning of Syds' lyrics and that is ludicrous! You limit all the wonderful possibilities of what these songs can mean when you start applying definite meanings to every line! Let people experience this stuff on their own terms! Noone ever defends me except for bpmolder... once.
Lostplay, you talk a whole lot for someone who can't defend themselves. I don't want to make you defensive anyway! That is not my intention. I can't believe the bullshit you sling on this public forum. You are much more mean spirited than I am. Bpmolder, I respect your thoughtful comments but Lostplay, you are just being a dick to me because I don't kiss your ass. You call me a troll but you post under more than one name! You mock the band Ween on another thread just because your head is in the sand and you don't know who they are. They are closer to Syds' spirit than you for what you've shown here. A sold out crowd at the Warfield in SF, CA. on sat. Nov.10th knows who ween is! They got it on video and audio, too! Legally! If you're so 'right on' why do you let other people explain your intentions for you? I'm in this alone! I've suffered in life ,too. Poor, big mouth Lostplay needs everyone to rush to his defense after he says a bunch of bullshit. (I say big mouth because you have almost 900 posts in less than 2 months...at least under the name lostplay).

Syd Barrett in Beat Instrumental(uk) June, 1971:

"The message might be a bit lost because people find it hard to grasp"

Notice I have given an easily verifiable source.
Lostplay....?
(please let him respond himself).
( If you don't respond I will assume that you admit you were wrong)

________________________________________________________________
...once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

[bpmolder]

Come on now, Idisaffect, don't you think you are getting a little too worked up here? I understand where you are coming from and I respect your point of view as well, but it doesn't do anyone any good to get that upset. Yeah, lostplay was out of line for blurting out what he has from time to time, especially telling people to shut the fuck up and calling you a troll, but there is no need to continue the negativity. Lostplay gets a little too uptight about the issue of trolls and wants to immediately go to war when he thinks he smells one. Hopefully he can see how inappropriate the comments were and apologize.

The point is that we don't see Syd's music as being open to interpretation because he meant it to be that way, but because it is so far from what people consider to be "the norm." When you add the fact that he broke down mentally shortly thereafter, people want to search for deeper meanings all the more. They choose to look at this piece as a cry for help, not because that's definitely what it was, but because it makes more sense in our yearning to understand what was going through Syd's mind, something else we will never fully know.

The fact that such music, which has been with us for 40 years now, is still shrouded in such mystery, really makes for interesting discussion and really defines him as a sort of genius. One of the ways that I like to define genius in someone is how long their art stands the test of time and remains fresh after so many years.

[lostplay]

thank you bp
to idris i am sorry for losing my temper with you
truly

you make valid points and if you make a topic about your points . i will address them
1 lyric meanings
2 high ticket price /artists who sell out
3 wean the group
4 what the 60's really meant

but your posts have been off topic
and you have been directly addressing me with off topic posts that mean nothing to that topic
and i responded as best i could .. and you went farther off topic .. did you not see keith's topic about this ???
for example
this topic someone asks about a line in a song
and i responded as did others
i am not telling anyone what to think

for the rest i will make a idris lost topic where we can air out whats needs to be aired out
w/o a forum wide flame war

i really think idris you have a lot on the ball
so lets chit chat about stuff

but if it is a deeper problem with you
if my posting style annoys you to no end
then why bother ??? my passion for certain groups or songs should not ruin your time here .
>>>>>>>>>>
back on topic
idris says before that maybe syd just meant exactly what he wrote .. nothing more

yes and no
yes syd does mean in a simple child like way a clear message ..
yet this style of writing in JB BLUES unique to syd
he never wrote this like anywhere else except for bike

on the opening lines he opens the door for a second deeper meaning to his words . syd forsee's is own fall from grace ..

i will now go very deep here

syd reversed the lines of this song

read it backwards
starting with the last line first

J B Blues touch my heart deeply
i sometime's play domine silas lang baby lemonade bike and JB in order
i always cry at>> what exactly is a //////

syd is love >>>>forever

peace idris


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