And the most popular album is a group effort. Even then the most popular track on The Wall is a Dave track, so much so Roger closes his own shows with itWolfpack wrote:My mask slips?kjek1 wrote:This is where your mask slips and you go into full on Waters fanboy territory
Funny how you seem to be fully okay with going into full on Gilmour fanboy territory.
You're "not alone in thinking that"? Does it matter?kjek1 wrote:The Final Cut is a crap Pink Floyd album in my opinion, and I know I'm not alone in thinking that. It's a an hour of sulking with mediocre tunes. Not Now John is rocky, it's also the worst track on the album and I say that with it being dominated by Gilmour's heavy guitars and vocals.
If quantities count, may I remind you that the albums 'Wish Were You Were Here', 'Animals' and 'The Wall' are among the most popular Pink Floyd albums?
And you are probably going to tell that Gilmour, Wright and Mason are angles, while Waters is the devil?kjek1 wrote:What did Gilmour do? What could he do? According to he, Nick and Rick, Waters had his full on "my way or the highway" attitude by then. Of course you'll probably tell us that all 3 of them of liars and the egomaniac who promotes himself as "the creative genius" couldnt possibly commandeer the band in such a way
Barrett tripped away into the universe, his mother's cellar.
Wright snorts away an album.
Gilmour criticizes an album while writing nothing himself.
Mason races away in a car, leaving drum work to session drummers.
Hey! Let's hide all that by complaining about ambitious Waters being a terrible member!
What creative alternatives did they have themselves?kjek1 wrote:To be honest Dave and co probably didn't have a great deal to contribute, why would they? They didn't even want to go down the route of having a political album like that.
At least, Waters had a vision for an album.
I think 'The Wall' is musically one of the best Pink Floyd albums.kjek1 wrote:there's a very clear pattern going from Meddle to TFC, which is that from beyond Wish You Were Here the quality of music receded further and further as Waters really began dominate everything.
And it's one of the most popular Pink Floyd albums/concepts.
Is Waters mostly responsible for this? Then, that's a great job!
'High Hopes' is like revisiting 'Fat Old Sun'.kjek1 wrote:a tune like High Hopes is closer to "classic Floyd" than anything Rogers churned out, except maybe for Smell the roses, but that's just a repackaged Have A Cigar/Dogs so I'm not counting cover songs.
Where are those guys?kjek1 wrote:Anyway you guys that buy into this idea of Waters being the man and the rest merely being there to add a bit of gloss and glitter have probably held that view for decades, and nothing's really going to change your mind, even if all that we know about the band now strongly implies that that's bollocks.
I only seem to see a guy who buys into this idea of Gimour being the man.
You keep saying what alternatives did they have as if you were there and have some concrete evidence that they had nothing to offer. The point the 3 of them made was that whenever they did have something Roger was having none of it, that's why the 2 of them (the 3rd one having been sacked by the fuhrer) fucked off and lost interest, that's why the band splinted, and that's why the Final Cut is crap.
If you think High Hopes is a revisiting of Fat Old Sun you're a simpleton and I can't help you.
Again, I didn't say Gilmour was the man, I fully acknowledge Roger wrote songs, had the concepts, the lyrics and drove the band on, and that he was the leader of the band's most successful era. The issue is with his sensitive little army of fanboys trying to peddle the myth he essentially was Pink Floyd and the rest were merely a garnish, that includes the unwillingness to look at reality and accept that their best tunes have melodies and solo's coming from Gilmour and Wright. I've already pointed you to further evidence of this, namely in the piss poor MUSICAL quality of 90% of what he's written post The Wall. I'm going by ear, you're essentially choosing to believe what suits your own agenda because....well, it suits your own agenda.
You, Wolfpack and Flathead would genunely give Bieber and One Direction fans a run for their money when it comes to delusions and blinded fanboyism. Still at least two of you are fairly direct, it's the backhaned comments if the resident troll that hamper the board.
I've seen Roger live, I'll see him live again if he plays, I've acknowledged his genius, yet I've got fanboys sulking because I refuse to go along with all this bollocks about him being the band's musical heart
By all means carry on, you absolute weirdos.