Doesn't matter how badly Roger wants to do it...Gilmour is now the one in charge of Pink Floyd. He doesn't want to do it.
He can't stand the sight of Roger, it seems...and I'm certain that he's not about to just give up what he's worked so hard for these past twenty years:
Absolute control of something he wasn't even in on the beginning of.
Waters and Gilmour have far too much bilous water under the bridge for a reconciliation that'll mean more than just one show for a benefit.
Roger willing for another Floyd reunion!
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Roger and David seem very competitive with one another...have you noticed that since 1984, they have mostly released albums and done tours hot on each other's heels...If Roger keeps this, I want to reunite stuff up, maybe David will get pissed off enough to put out another solo album and tour, just to emphasis it won't happen - and Roger will need to put something out...basically I'm full of sh**. But, these two benefit from the rumours.
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You're right...they do seem to release things and/or go on tour closely behind each other, but I don't think that's something that's intentionally planned.
In 1987, it was just kind of serendipitous (IMO) that KAOS and AMLOR came out around the same time and that the tours were so close together.
Roger has no reason to do that intentionally as it seems that a Pink Floyd tour reduces his chances of selling out even medium sized halls.
People would rather see Pink Floyd than see Roger Waters, it seems.
Now...as to whether or not Gilmour carefully times these things...who can say? The Gilmour led Floyd seems to operate on it's own timetable in regards to when albums are put together and released.
I think it's just coincidence that each camp's last two major albums were released so closely together.
Roger didn't tour behind ATD...so, other than '87 the only other time Gilmour and Waters seemed to be competing for tour audiences was when each went on tour last year.
Again...that's only the second time. And Waters had just toured a few years ago with the In The Flesh tour.
I think this coincidence could be considered serendipitous had Gilmour not released a solo album and gone on tour.
Seems like Roger could be trying to steal his thunder...doesn't really seem to be working, though.
I think that if Roger keeps up the "I want to get back together" thing, Gilmour can respond in one of two ways:
1. He can simply keep saying "no" until he dies
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2. He can simply break up the band, thereby removing anything for Roger to rejoin...however, that tact didn't work for Waters in the 80's, so it probably wouldn't work for Gilmour now, either. It would just open the door for Waters to take control back.
So...I'd say we can look forward to seeing just how many different ways Gilmour can say "no."
In 1987, it was just kind of serendipitous (IMO) that KAOS and AMLOR came out around the same time and that the tours were so close together.
Roger has no reason to do that intentionally as it seems that a Pink Floyd tour reduces his chances of selling out even medium sized halls.
People would rather see Pink Floyd than see Roger Waters, it seems.
Now...as to whether or not Gilmour carefully times these things...who can say? The Gilmour led Floyd seems to operate on it's own timetable in regards to when albums are put together and released.
I think it's just coincidence that each camp's last two major albums were released so closely together.
Roger didn't tour behind ATD...so, other than '87 the only other time Gilmour and Waters seemed to be competing for tour audiences was when each went on tour last year.
Again...that's only the second time. And Waters had just toured a few years ago with the In The Flesh tour.
I think this coincidence could be considered serendipitous had Gilmour not released a solo album and gone on tour.
Seems like Roger could be trying to steal his thunder...doesn't really seem to be working, though.
I think that if Roger keeps up the "I want to get back together" thing, Gilmour can respond in one of two ways:
1. He can simply keep saying "no" until he dies
or
2. He can simply break up the band, thereby removing anything for Roger to rejoin...however, that tact didn't work for Waters in the 80's, so it probably wouldn't work for Gilmour now, either. It would just open the door for Waters to take control back.
So...I'd say we can look forward to seeing just how many different ways Gilmour can say "no."
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they did the accidental coincidental dueling tours thing in 84 before they did it in 87
Ive always been suspicious about the timing of that MLoR tour,
especially since we know (or at least Schaffner tells us) that the record company pressured Gilmour into putting out one more Floyd album
Ive always assumed they got the tour happening as soon as they could to preclude any lawsuit from roger over the album, and generate those recordsetting ticketsales that settled the question of Which Ones Pink like no lawyer ever could
and I agree, this current tour Roger is stealing Daves thunder, since Dave has opted not to do another floyd tour Rogers more than willing to oblige
Id rather roger got working on his new album
Ive always been suspicious about the timing of that MLoR tour,
especially since we know (or at least Schaffner tells us) that the record company pressured Gilmour into putting out one more Floyd album
Ive always assumed they got the tour happening as soon as they could to preclude any lawsuit from roger over the album, and generate those recordsetting ticketsales that settled the question of Which Ones Pink like no lawyer ever could
and I agree, this current tour Roger is stealing Daves thunder, since Dave has opted not to do another floyd tour Rogers more than willing to oblige
Id rather roger got working on his new album
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It's not cynicism.The Gunner's Dream wrote:OR the third possibility is that he might say yes
Like you mosespa, I'm a cynical person, however I am not entirely devoid of optimism.
It's based in the knowledge that prior to TDB, Gilmour attempted to reconcile with Roger and Roger declined (to put it mildly.)
As I understand it, that refusal to reconcile has put Roger firmly at the top of Gilmour's "Fuck Off And Die" list.
Also...again...it's based in the knowledge that Roger likes to be the one in charge and right now, it's Gilmour who's in charge...and he seems to like it that way, too.
I can't see Gilmour abdicating control of the band to the guy who tried to kill it by quitting...and then tried to sue the hell out of everyone who tried to keep it going...and then refused to come back on board when he would have been welcome to.
Gilmour has worked too hard to get where he's at right now to simply turn it over to the guy who didn't want it in the first place.
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You must be joking... Gilmour worked too hard?mosespa wrote:
Gilmour has worked too hard to get where he's at right now.....
Two 'sound as' Floyd albums and one solo album in 21 years with no creative ideas at all?
Where are all those good songs that Roger didn't allow poor ol' Dave to perform in the years before 1985?
There's nothing that's relevant on AMLOR and particularly on TDB. It's 'musac' in the same league as Dire Straits and OAI must be the laziest solo album ever from any Floyd member.
Compare OAI with ATD from Roger and you know what I mean.
ATD is in the same league as DSOTM, WYWH and any other Floyd Classic.
OAI is just an irrelevant echo from the past..
Dave has had his moments but you cannot accuse him of working hard in the past 21 years..
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But to get to get to that position as head of the band he worked hard. Guy had been a member since 1968 so after being there for 19 years you can forgive him got taking a lot of time between albums... Especially as he was begining to knock back the years by 1987 . Keep in mind that for Dave this band has been like an adultlifelong dedicationFransT wrote:You must be joking... Gilmour worked too hard?mosespa wrote:
Gilmour has worked too hard to get where he's at right now.....
Doesn't mean he didn't work hard when he made them though. Besides, when you say no creative ideas that's purely your opinion. Also don't forget the world tours they did tooFransT wrote:Two 'sound as' Floyd albums and one solo album in 21 years with no creative ideas at all?
I don't beleive Dave ever claimed to have anything written. I beleive he did state Roger wouldn't wait for him to write stuff and ploughed on himself. If so then that heavily implies he never had anythingFransT wrote:Where are all those good songs that Roger didn't allow poor ol' Dave to perform in the years before 1985?
Maybe he's just mellowed with age. Regardless these are your personal opinions on the albums here that you're using as proof he hasn't worked hard.FransT wrote:There's nothing that's relevant on AMLOR and particularly on TDB. It's 'musac' in the same league as Dire Straits and OAI must be the laziest solo album ever from any Floyd member.
I would say OAI is much better than ATD so again a matter of opinion here. However, just because i'm not a fan of ATD it doesn't mean i think Roger put no effort in to doing it.FransT wrote:Compare OAI with ATD from Roger and you know what I mean. ATD is in the same league as DSOTM, WYWH and any other Floyd Classic. OAI is just an irrelevant echo from the past..
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