Right...Back To Square One, Anyone?
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Re: Right...Back To Square One, Anyone?
I haven't been here for a while due to my internet disconnection, but I just wanted to let you all know I'll be fully back on work for this project soon, with the finished music for Tanner's hitch hiking song (which I can't attach here right now since it's back home on my computer). I'm also eager to start working on the booklets.
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Re: Right...Back To Square One, Anyone?
I have submmitted my lyrics and the two other tracks I have donated to this project, both of which I am quite proud of.
I hope you like listening to them as much as I did when I made them. I guess the measure of a tune is that I can still listen to them several years later.
I hope you like listening to them as much as I did when I made them. I guess the measure of a tune is that I can still listen to them several years later.
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Re: Right...Back To Square One, Anyone?
I have Dan's lyrics and various submitted mixings. I'll be posting one of his songs, Jericho, tonight.
Mastering has begun as well. I have went through a first sweep of the tracks for volume one and have done about 5 mastering passes and tweaks on the first 4 tracks. The interview track is a gimme, as it is just voices, so all that I will do with that is the standard lineal multiband compression that will make it the same peak volume as everything else, as it should on a proper album.
I brightened up and remixed Some Of Them, removing the cheesy sounding drum machine sound and replacing it with a more realistic sounding set of filtered samples. The improvement is immense.
Broken was pretty much in the bag. Multiband compression and a slight decrease on the mid to high frequencies really locked that track in nicely.
I'm bringing everything up to the standard -11dB level that is the modern rock album specification. A typical remaster setting in other words. It's what they do when they make a compilation like this from thirty years worth of sources. They bring it all up to a certain average peak level, balance it all out with EQ filtering, apply a very light type of reverb across the whole album to give it a fingerprint that ties it together. So that's what I am going for here, an Echoes type of compilation mastering.
I got to a good point with 3 of the songs last night. I will do 3 more tonight and the following night, the remainder. I will then go back and re-listen on many different systems, making tweaks, remastering, and re-tweaking. For me, it's usually a 3 week process. That allows the ears to have proper rest between listens and also allows for the natural human tendency to pick up things the second time that weren't noticed the first time.
What Dan said is very true. Good music can endure many listens. It can also yield something new after many listens.
I'll keep you all posted on my progress and will let you know when the first string of listening will be required. One important thing I have learned from other engineers over the years is to always seek second opinions and multiple sets of ears. It has served me very well.
Mastering has begun as well. I have went through a first sweep of the tracks for volume one and have done about 5 mastering passes and tweaks on the first 4 tracks. The interview track is a gimme, as it is just voices, so all that I will do with that is the standard lineal multiband compression that will make it the same peak volume as everything else, as it should on a proper album.
I brightened up and remixed Some Of Them, removing the cheesy sounding drum machine sound and replacing it with a more realistic sounding set of filtered samples. The improvement is immense.
Broken was pretty much in the bag. Multiband compression and a slight decrease on the mid to high frequencies really locked that track in nicely.
I'm bringing everything up to the standard -11dB level that is the modern rock album specification. A typical remaster setting in other words. It's what they do when they make a compilation like this from thirty years worth of sources. They bring it all up to a certain average peak level, balance it all out with EQ filtering, apply a very light type of reverb across the whole album to give it a fingerprint that ties it together. So that's what I am going for here, an Echoes type of compilation mastering.
I got to a good point with 3 of the songs last night. I will do 3 more tonight and the following night, the remainder. I will then go back and re-listen on many different systems, making tweaks, remastering, and re-tweaking. For me, it's usually a 3 week process. That allows the ears to have proper rest between listens and also allows for the natural human tendency to pick up things the second time that weren't noticed the first time.
What Dan said is very true. Good music can endure many listens. It can also yield something new after many listens.
I'll keep you all posted on my progress and will let you know when the first string of listening will be required. One important thing I have learned from other engineers over the years is to always seek second opinions and multiple sets of ears. It has served me very well.
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*BUMP*
Here is the first track for Volume Two. It's called Jericho, a tale of one seeking sex like one of the Knights Templar would seek the Promised Land. Very nicely done. I hope you enjoy it as I have:
http://www.artistopia.com/coldironfusio ... album/5532
Here is the first track for Volume Two. It's called Jericho, a tale of one seeking sex like one of the Knights Templar would seek the Promised Land. Very nicely done. I hope you enjoy it as I have:
http://www.artistopia.com/coldironfusio ... album/5532
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It's got a catchy little riff. I like it!
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[quote="bpmolder"]*CIIIIBOLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAA........BUMPETY BUMP BUMP* (for you Stephen King fans out there)
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And thanx for the suite
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And thanx for the suite
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Sounds really good...has a nice, late 70's AOR feel to it.bpmolder wrote:*BUMP*
Here is the first track for Volume Two. It's called Jericho, a tale of one seeking sex like one of the Knights Templar would seek the Promised Land. Very nicely done. I hope you enjoy it as I have:
http://www.artistopia.com/coldironfusio ... album/5532
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Thanks, It was inspired by a Radiohead song, oddlyMassed Gadgets wrote:Sounds really good...has a nice, late 70's AOR feel to it.bpmolder wrote:*BUMP*
Here is the first track for Volume Two. It's called Jericho, a tale of one seeking sex like one of the Knights Templar would seek the Promised Land. Very nicely done. I hope you enjoy it as I have:
http://www.artistopia.com/coldironfusio ... album/5532
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Re: Right...Back To Square One, Anyone?
Just dropping in to say hello. My connection troubles haven't been sorted yet, and I actually wanted to attach the music for Tanner's hitch hiker song, but the board doesn't allow attaching of GuitarPro files! I will make an audio file out of it and attach it in the next couple of days. Until then, I will send the gp5 file to Geoff and you guys just have to figure out the vocal lines and the solo.
See you again soon.
See you again soon.
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What's even more odd is that I can see a connection between the two.filthyfish wrote:Thanks, It was inspired by a Radiohead song, oddlyMassed Gadgets wrote: Sounds really good...has a nice, late 70's AOR feel to it.
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Re: Right...Back To Square One, Anyone?
Cool, but do you know which song? thats the important question... its a great tune too..
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Re: Right...Back To Square One, Anyone?
Mastering, tweaking, mastering, tweaking, etc, etc, etc.
I have a first cut of volume one just about ready. I will be giving it a car listen on my errands today and if it is up to snuff, I will update the tracks on Artistopia so everyone can listen. Then, I will be making a second and third pass. It will be done right on schedule.
I have a first cut of volume one just about ready. I will be giving it a car listen on my errands today and if it is up to snuff, I will update the tracks on Artistopia so everyone can listen. Then, I will be making a second and third pass. It will be done right on schedule.
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I haven't listened to your song, Dan, because my computer's seriously glitchy these days. But even without listening to it, I can tell you that I probably could NOT tell you which Radiohead song you had in mind because I've not heard a whole hell of a lot by them.filthyfish wrote:Cool, but do you know which song? thats the important question... its a great tune too..
The "connection" that I referred to seeing is between Radiohead and 70's AOR radio. I mean, to me, "Everything In It's Right Place" wouldn't sound at all out of place sandwiched between...say, "Bloody Well Right" by Supertramp and "In The Light" by Led Zeppelin.
Just for one example.
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Re: Right...Back To Square One, Anyone?
Ah! Ok, well you should make a point of listening to Ok Computer and the Bends, there's not a bad song on both albums, it all gets a bit sketchy after that, the track that Inspired it is called Maquilladora, its a unreleased tune written around the time of The Bends.
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I rather like The Bends...but it's an album that I really don't know the individual track names of. It's one of those albums that I just throw on and let it play out.
I've heard good things about OK Computer...but I think I've only heard Paranoid Android off of it.
I've heard good things about OK Computer...but I think I've only heard Paranoid Android off of it.