Roger Waters’ [Alleged] Antisemitism
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Roger Waters’ [Alleged] Antisemitism
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vNA6MCzyC ... Igd2F0ZXJz
I think, following the revelations in this documentary, that the jury is no longer out on whether or not Roger is an antisemite. I think the 2010 email [see “dirty kykes”, “scum”] and the horrible recollections of his former Jewish saxophonist [see mocking the poor guy’s Polish family who were murdered in the Holocaust..who does that?! ] were particularly odious.
I know that it would be much nicer to be discussing the great music that Roger has been involved in creating but this is just too serious an issue to sidestep. It also makes you look at some of his lyrics in a different light e.g., ‘Waiting for the Worms’:
Did Roger really have to try very hard to channel the fascist rabble rouser’s speech?
“Testing, one two, one two
Will the audience convene at 1:15 outside Brixton Town Hall, where we will be going?
to cut out the deadwood
(Waiting) to clean up the city
(Waiting) to follow the worms
(Waiting) to put on a black shirt
(Waiting) to weed out the weaklings
to smash in their windows and kick in their doors
(Waiting) for the final solution to strengthen the strain
(Waiting) to follow the worms
(Waiting) to turn on the showers and fire the ovens
(Waiting) for the queers and the coons and the reds and the Jews
(Waiting) to follow the worms
Would you like to see Britannia rule again, my friend?
All you have to do is follow the worms
Would you like to send our colored cousins home again, my friend?
All you need to do is follow the worms
The Worms will reconvene outside Brixton bus station
We'll be moving on at about 12 o'clock down Stockwell Road
At that point we'll be heading towards Lambeth Road, where we will be covering some distance
Leaving 12 minutes to three as we move along Lambeth Road towards Vauxhall bridge
Now, when we get to the other side of Vauxhall Bridge, we're in Westminster Borough area
It's quite possible we may encounter some Jew boys from now on, along the way we go
Hammer!
Hammer!
Hammer![etc]”
I’m interested to hear other members opinions on the documentary and will they look more closely at some of Roger’s lyrics/statements/behaviour over a long period of time?
I think, following the revelations in this documentary, that the jury is no longer out on whether or not Roger is an antisemite. I think the 2010 email [see “dirty kykes”, “scum”] and the horrible recollections of his former Jewish saxophonist [see mocking the poor guy’s Polish family who were murdered in the Holocaust..who does that?! ] were particularly odious.
I know that it would be much nicer to be discussing the great music that Roger has been involved in creating but this is just too serious an issue to sidestep. It also makes you look at some of his lyrics in a different light e.g., ‘Waiting for the Worms’:
Did Roger really have to try very hard to channel the fascist rabble rouser’s speech?
“Testing, one two, one two
Will the audience convene at 1:15 outside Brixton Town Hall, where we will be going?
to cut out the deadwood
(Waiting) to clean up the city
(Waiting) to follow the worms
(Waiting) to put on a black shirt
(Waiting) to weed out the weaklings
to smash in their windows and kick in their doors
(Waiting) for the final solution to strengthen the strain
(Waiting) to follow the worms
(Waiting) to turn on the showers and fire the ovens
(Waiting) for the queers and the coons and the reds and the Jews
(Waiting) to follow the worms
Would you like to see Britannia rule again, my friend?
All you have to do is follow the worms
Would you like to send our colored cousins home again, my friend?
All you need to do is follow the worms
The Worms will reconvene outside Brixton bus station
We'll be moving on at about 12 o'clock down Stockwell Road
At that point we'll be heading towards Lambeth Road, where we will be covering some distance
Leaving 12 minutes to three as we move along Lambeth Road towards Vauxhall bridge
Now, when we get to the other side of Vauxhall Bridge, we're in Westminster Borough area
It's quite possible we may encounter some Jew boys from now on, along the way we go
Hammer!
Hammer!
Hammer![etc]”
I’m interested to hear other members opinions on the documentary and will they look more closely at some of Roger’s lyrics/statements/behaviour over a long period of time?
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Re: Roger Waters’ [Alleged] Antisemitism
Is Waiting For The Worms proof Roger is an anti-semite and a fascist?
I'd ask then...is Christian Bale a serial killer?
Is Corpse Grinder a sadist?
Or...are they playing characters.
I've never understood why someone would think that acting is a role, but singing is a definite description of one's self.
I suppose King Diamond is was once a Christmas puppet as well.
I'd ask then...is Christian Bale a serial killer?
Is Corpse Grinder a sadist?
Or...are they playing characters.
I've never understood why someone would think that acting is a role, but singing is a definite description of one's self.
I suppose King Diamond is was once a Christmas puppet as well.
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Re: Roger Waters’ [Alleged] Antisemitism
[quote][/quote]Is Waiting For The Worms proof Roger is an anti-semite and a fascist?[quote][/quote]
No, the lyrics are not proof that he’s an anti-Semite and a fascist but I believe that, in the light of the revelations in the documentary, it’s worth considering whether he was actually kind of hiding in plain sight through these lyrics. [one could take a look at the lyrics to ‘In the Flesh’, too]
Context is important, too:
Didn’t Bob Ezrin talk about the anti-Semitic ditty Waters was singing when he first joined the sessions for [u]The Wall[/u]? Featuring the not at all problematic line about their Jewish manager Bryan Morrison: ‘that’s because Morri is a fucking Jew!’
I’ve had some sympathy with Roger’s political stances in the past, given him the benefit of the doubt regarding the frequent accusations of anti-Semitism levelled against him but no more.
‘And there's a change that even with regret
Cannot be undone’
No, the lyrics are not proof that he’s an anti-Semite and a fascist but I believe that, in the light of the revelations in the documentary, it’s worth considering whether he was actually kind of hiding in plain sight through these lyrics. [one could take a look at the lyrics to ‘In the Flesh’, too]
Context is important, too:
Didn’t Bob Ezrin talk about the anti-Semitic ditty Waters was singing when he first joined the sessions for [u]The Wall[/u]? Featuring the not at all problematic line about their Jewish manager Bryan Morrison: ‘that’s because Morri is a fucking Jew!’
I’ve had some sympathy with Roger’s political stances in the past, given him the benefit of the doubt regarding the frequent accusations of anti-Semitism levelled against him but no more.
‘And there's a change that even with regret
Cannot be undone’
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Re: Roger Waters’ [Alleged] Antisemitism
Well, this is the worst they can come up with?
I am not the Roger fan boy of 20-30 years ago, so I don't feel the urge to defend him that much. But the new information is a song about his manager and some recollections of his 2002 saxophone player, over the course of 40 years.
Waters is a bully and will probably use anything against someone.
Roger Waters won't be getting any more of my money, but that is easy to say because he hasn't done anything interesting to me musically for the last 30 years. So no dilemma for me there
I am not the Roger fan boy of 20-30 years ago, so I don't feel the urge to defend him that much. But the new information is a song about his manager and some recollections of his 2002 saxophone player, over the course of 40 years.
Waters is a bully and will probably use anything against someone.
Roger Waters won't be getting any more of my money, but that is easy to say because he hasn't done anything interesting to me musically for the last 30 years. So no dilemma for me there
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Re: Roger Waters’ [Alleged] Antisemitism
You will be accused of antisemitism if you criticise Israel even if you happen to be be Jewish.
Hence the muck.
Hence the muck.
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Re: Roger Waters’ [Alleged] Antisemitism
1970s, Jewish managers... Jewish mafia?
I've watched a documentary about Teddy Pendergrass ('If You Don't Know Me', 2018), in which manager Shep Gordon (Jewish) is critical about them himself.
Just reporting this, without judgement.
I've watched a documentary about Teddy Pendergrass ('If You Don't Know Me', 2018), in which manager Shep Gordon (Jewish) is critical about them himself.
Just reporting this, without judgement.
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Re: Roger Waters’ [Alleged] Antisemitism
So, you’re just regurgitating this really negative trope about Jewish people “without judgement”?! If some Jews are bad then anti-Semitism is kind of justified, eh? That’s basically what you’re implying but are too mealy mouthed to state explicitly.1970s, Jewish managers... Jewish mafia?
I've watched a documentary about Teddy Pendergrass ('If You Don't Know Me', 2018), in which manager Shep Gordon (Jewish) is critical about them himself.
Just reporting this, without judgement
I’m sure Roger appreciates your support.
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Re: Roger Waters’ [Alleged] Antisemitism
I can't mention an interview with a Jewish manager, because that's antisemitism?
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Re: Roger Waters’ [Alleged] Antisemitism
A lot of left leaning people dislike Israel and Jews and Rog certainly leans to the left and has socialist leanings - even with the alleged $310 million in the bank. He has made no secret of his love for Palestine and dislike of Israel which is a bit hypocritical as he was happy to play there in the past. Is he an Antisemite - hard to say as he would say its freedom of speech
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Typical hit job when somebody is speaking too much truth. Seen it a thousand times. Roger is supposed to have mocked one of his employees family who died? The accusations are highly incredible to say the least. If he's such a hater why are there Jews in his entourage to begin with?
He is critical of Israel. Rightfully. The rest is BS.
He is critical of Israel. Rightfully. The rest is BS.
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Re: Roger Waters’ [Alleged] Antisemitism
Typically I see anti-semetism, at least in the USA, from groups like the KKK, the Neo-Nazis, etc....and those groups do not lean left in any sense of the word.drafsack wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:11 pm A lot of left leaning people dislike Israel and Jews and Rog certainly leans to the left and has socialist leanings - even with the alleged $310 million in the bank. He has made no secret of his love for Palestine and dislike of Israel which is a bit hypocritical as he was happy to play there in the past. Is he an Antisemite - hard to say as he would say its freedom of speech
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Re: Roger Waters’ [Alleged] Antisemitism
That's what I'm saying!DaveSamsonBell wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:22 pm Typical hit job when somebody is speaking too much truth. Seen it a thousand times. Roger is supposed to have mocked one of his employees family who died? The accusations are highly incredible to say the least. If he's such a hater why are there Jews in his entourage to begin with?
He is critical of Israel. Rightfully. The rest is BS.
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Re: Roger Waters’ [Alleged] Antisemitism
Raging Antisemite Roger Waters IMPLODES And Humiliates Himself Live On TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1wnD5YM2nM
OtherBarak, 3 July 2024
1:34 Waters saying "there's no evidence"...
As with 9/11 and lots of other public news footage, a lot is hidden for being too gruesome.
I guess this can lead to conspiracies, people not knowing reality because of it being sugar coated on TV.
In a way, he's right: no evidence is shown (other than the less of the very worst).
Anyhow...
Damn Roger Waters, for even touching the subject Israël...
Don't you know it's the Holy Land? Read the Bible!
Let's us all now sing Psalms, instead of his stupid Pink Floyd songs!
The interview itself, over an hour, which I'm going to watch now:
"I'm Not Antisemitic” Roger Waters vs Piers Morgan On Israel-Palestine & More
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djgdjer0jOw
Piers Morgan Uncensored, 2 July 2024
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters is quite simply a legend of British rock music history. His band created a foundational sound that has inspired generations, and have sold more than 250 million records worldwide. Not content however to be just an artist, Roger is also a well-known antagonist and activist. His support for Palestine has been unwavering; but also controversial.
Roger joins Piers Morgan Uncensored with an energy and zeal most wouldn’t have at 80 years old. Piers asks him about his father, who fought the Nazis in World War 2, but also challenges him on his contentious stage shows, his views on Hamas, and his mistaken belief that Russia would not invade Ukraine. Roger barely allows Piers to speak, which is of course, no easy feat."
00:00 - Introduction
04:35 - Roger's dad
09:38 - Doing the 'right' thing
12:20 - Eric Clapton
16:27 - A one-state solution?
18:06 - "Resist the genocide"
22:23 - Keir Starmer
27:12 - Israel's right to exist
32:18 - Was October 7 a 'false flag'?
41:58 - Roger's attack on Bono
48:18 - "Are you antisemitic?"
54:03 - Putin and Ukraine
01:01:06 - Julian Assange
01:03:04 - Biden and Trump
01:06:31 - Quickie questions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1wnD5YM2nM
OtherBarak, 3 July 2024
1:34 Waters saying "there's no evidence"...
As with 9/11 and lots of other public news footage, a lot is hidden for being too gruesome.
I guess this can lead to conspiracies, people not knowing reality because of it being sugar coated on TV.
In a way, he's right: no evidence is shown (other than the less of the very worst).
Anyhow...
Damn Roger Waters, for even touching the subject Israël...
Don't you know it's the Holy Land? Read the Bible!
Let's us all now sing Psalms, instead of his stupid Pink Floyd songs!
The interview itself, over an hour, which I'm going to watch now:
"I'm Not Antisemitic” Roger Waters vs Piers Morgan On Israel-Palestine & More
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djgdjer0jOw
Piers Morgan Uncensored, 2 July 2024
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters is quite simply a legend of British rock music history. His band created a foundational sound that has inspired generations, and have sold more than 250 million records worldwide. Not content however to be just an artist, Roger is also a well-known antagonist and activist. His support for Palestine has been unwavering; but also controversial.
Roger joins Piers Morgan Uncensored with an energy and zeal most wouldn’t have at 80 years old. Piers asks him about his father, who fought the Nazis in World War 2, but also challenges him on his contentious stage shows, his views on Hamas, and his mistaken belief that Russia would not invade Ukraine. Roger barely allows Piers to speak, which is of course, no easy feat."
00:00 - Introduction
04:35 - Roger's dad
09:38 - Doing the 'right' thing
12:20 - Eric Clapton
16:27 - A one-state solution?
18:06 - "Resist the genocide"
22:23 - Keir Starmer
27:12 - Israel's right to exist
32:18 - Was October 7 a 'false flag'?
41:58 - Roger's attack on Bono
48:18 - "Are you antisemitic?"
54:03 - Putin and Ukraine
01:01:06 - Julian Assange
01:03:04 - Biden and Trump
01:06:31 - Quickie questions
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Re: Roger Waters’ [Alleged] Antisemitism
Funny how he is only paying attention to UK politics & the election and all of a sudden telling us who to vote for when the last few years he has said fuck all about the corrupt Tories who have ruined the UK over the last 14 years.
Hypocrite, Roger no one cares who you are saying to vote for tomorrow. You live in America, and you care and say more about their political system than the UK's.
Hypocrite, Roger no one cares who you are saying to vote for tomorrow. You live in America, and you care and say more about their political system than the UK's.
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Re: Roger Waters’ [Alleged] Antisemitism
I even took my empty cup to the polling station after mistakenly been told we could drink the tears of Roger Waters whenever we voted Labour?
He must have been intensive farmed to provide all that much!
He must have been intensive farmed to provide all that much!