New Syd Footage?

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How much would you donate to a Kickstarter funding the release of new Syd Floyd concert footage?

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22%
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$5-10
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11%
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Total votes: 9

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by Haight Trashbury » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:37 pm

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Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:27 pm
Glad that my site could help you (many updates are coming soon by the way).
I had a (reliable) contact who told me about the existence of these tapes several years ago.
I have never had the time to go deeper. Happy that you do it [-D-]
Speaking about your website, I’ve had a question about it for a very long time now. You said in the “Pink Floyd on Videos and Films” section that the Barbeque 67 film was recorded by somebody called Bill Hardinge. I can’t figure out who this guy is for the life of me. Is there any way that you can help? It’s something that’s been really troubling me.

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by Haight Trashbury » Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:39 pm

Just a quick update: Apparently, the Long Island guy doesn’t have the footage. He just knew the filmmakers really well. I’m gonna need to start searching for some other leads...

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by Haight Trashbury » Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:03 am

I just got an email from Flame Schon. She just found the address of the facility where her and Sheldon’s old films are stored. If the reels for DOPE still exist, then they’d almost HAVE to be there.

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by azerty » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:40 pm

Speaking about your website, I’ve had a question about it for a very long time now. You said in the “Pink Floyd on Videos and Films” section that the Barbeque 67 film was recorded by somebody called Bill Hardinge. I can’t figure out who this guy is for the life of me. Is there any way that you can help? It’s something that’s been really troubling me.

I was in contact 20 years ago (!) On a Bulletin Board System (ancestor of web sites) with a guy whose father had participated in this event as a volunteer (I think he took care of the supply in drink). One of his friends, the famous Bill Hardinge, had brought his 8mm cam to shoot some sequence. At the time, owning this type of equipment was not common. As far as his father remembered, he had not captured PF's performance though.
Unfortunately, I lost contact with this member (an other Web-era), I noted the name of the cameraman but I did not get any more. it's a dead end unfortunately.

I think the only lead could be the photographer George Elderton whom some unreleased pics from this festival were unearthed recently.

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by Haight Trashbury » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:43 pm

azerty wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:40 pm
Speaking about your website, I’ve had a question about it for a very long time now. You said in the “Pink Floyd on Videos and Films” section that the Barbeque 67 film was recorded by somebody called Bill Hardinge. I can’t figure out who this guy is for the life of me. Is there any way that you can help? It’s something that’s been really troubling me.

I was in contact 20 years ago (!) On a Bulletin Board System (ancestor of web sites) with a guy whose father had participated in this event as a volunteer (I think he took care of the supply in drink). One of his friends, the famous Bill Hardinge, had brought his 8mm cam to shoot some sequence. At the time, owning this type of equipment was not common. As far as his father remembered, he had not captured PF's performance though.
Unfortunately, I lost contact with this member (an other Web-era), I noted the name of the cameraman but I did not get any more. it's a dead end unfortunately.

I think the only lead could be the photographer George Elderton whom some unreleased pics from this festival were unearthed recently.
Awwww... I wanted to synchronize his video of Clapton with that audio bootleg of the Barbeque 67 Cream set. I was really looking forward to that.

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by Haight Trashbury » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:44 pm

Just emailed a few people who knew Sheldon Rochlin back when he was alive. I wanna make sure these reels still exist before I go look, since there’s a very good chance that at least some of the footage was lost.

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by Haight Trashbury » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:02 am

Flame sent me an email today saying that these recordings most likely still exist. It’s just a matter of finding them. D.A. Pennebaker (who owned the company that distributes DOPE (Leacock-Pennebaker) before it abruptly ran out of business) probably knows where the reels are. I emailed his current film company about this whole thing, and am expecting to get a response shortly. This is huge news, since, until now, Flame always seemed to express skepticism as to whether or not these reels were lost. It seems I’m approaching an answer...

Also, I’m still waiting on the “It’s So Far Out, It’s Straight Down” footage. We’re searching, but nothing has come up yet. Just keep waiting.

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by Haight Trashbury » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:56 pm

I’m 90% sure that the DOPE tapes still exist... and that I know where they’re stored. Expect something over the summer.

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by RichardB » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:26 am

This is very exciting news to say the least. I talked to Flame about 10 years ago after ordering the Dope Movie from her, glad to hear she is doing well. It makes sense that they must have shot a lot of footage. It explains why Soft Machine is playing while the Floyd is shown in the Dope Movie.
There are some other interesting Live and rare Pink Floyd Recordings that need to be discovered. I know of a few from late 66 and there is also a version in the " Young Night Crawlers fim, that is played when they show Hoppy, who started the UFO Club with Joe Boyd, and some people smoking a pipe. There is the UFO club footage from that film, but there is also some never before heard Pink Floyd music in other parts of the film as well.
I might be able to help with your search for the Dope Movie outakes in some way and also some other projects, if you would like to discuss that then please let me know.
Also I spoke with the woman who did the CBC inteview in 66 with that interesting version of Interstellar Overdrive in the background. She actually recorded them live at CBC headquarters in London and she believes that full recording still exists in the CBC archives.

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by RichardB » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:35 am

Excellent, how did you begin this project and how did you find out about the other footage filmed? I actually talked to Flame, about 10 years ago, and at that time she did not seem too sure about what happend to the footage. I had assumed they only breefly filmed the UFO club, but now that I am vovninced that the music is The Soft Machine when we see Pink Floyd, it is pretty obvious that they filmed quite a bit more footage at UFO of Pink Floyd at their peak with Barett, and in my opinion that is 66 to mid 67.

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by hallucalation » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:38 pm

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There is the UFO club footage from that film, but there is also some never before heard Pink Floyd music in other parts of the film as wel
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I might be able to help with your search for the Dope Movie outakes in some way and also some other projects, if you would like to discuss that then please let me know.
Also I spoke with the woman who did the CBC inteview in 66 with that interesting version of Interstellar Overdrive in the background. She actually recorded them live at CBC headquarters in London and she believes that full recording still exists in the CBC archives.
There's no additional Floyd music of any kind in Die Jungen Nachtwandler save for a UFO footage (which is a last 5 minute of film).

Also it is not UFO club shown in Dope film but some other location since interior doesn't match photos or footage from it.

Jack Moore UFO footage is simply not exist because:
1) He doesn't had any filming equipment until late 1968
2) When his archive was taken care of, no one had find any UFO footage he shot

Granada have in their archives only Interstellar Overdrive audio without voiceover + full 9 minute McCartney interview. I doubt that Joe have any kind of raw materials

As for late 66 recordings, i'm not aware of any beyond IO from Thompson Recording Studio and that CBS audio/interview.

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by hallucalation » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:43 pm

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I found another film library in that has some material from DOPE (not sure if they have any outtakes though). They uploaded a clip of the UFO Club (apparently mixed in with some Blarney Club stuff) to their YouTube channel a few years ago, and for a very brief moment starting at the 0:27 mark, Pink Floyd is shown. The footage was clearly intended for DOPE, although it appears to be taken from the final cut of the film rather than an outtakes reel. Regardless of its origins, however, the video is almost completely unknown to the Floyd fandom, and so I figured I’d include it here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUuoMp7TYzQ&app=desktop
This is part of main film, not outtake. Kinolibrary doesn't have outtakes from this film.

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by RichardB » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:46 pm

There's no additional Floyd music of any kind in Die Jungen Nachtwandler save for a UFO footage (which is a last 5 minute of film).

Also it is not UFO club shown in Dope film but some other location since interior doesn't match photos or footage from it.

Jack Moore UFO footage is simply not exist because:
1) He doesn't had any filming equipment until late 1968
2) When his archive was taken care of, no one had find any UFO footage he shot

Granada have in their archives only Interstellar Overdrive audio without voiceover + full 9 minute McCartney interview. I doubt that Joe have any kind of raw materials

YES there is more Pink Floyd music in Die Jungen Nachtwandler, have you seen the whole film? I have the promo for the whole documentary and there is a scene that shows "Hoppy" and several other people smoking some kind of dope out of a pipe. In the background there is a version of Interstellar Overdrive that I have never heard before and no one talks about it. Unless this music was only played in the promo, it should be in the full film too. There is a DVD out there somewhere that was only available in Germany. It even has a box cover. If you happen to have it then please go through it again.
Also the song being played at the UFO club is most likely NOT Interstellar Overdrive, it could very well be " Stethoscope" Though when the Film director is speaking at the Bar of the UFO club you can clearly hear Pink Floyd playing Interstellar Overdrive in the background with the feed back and signature Interstellar Bleep sound from the Binson Echo unit.

I am not % 100 certain where the Pink Floyd Footage was filmed in Dope Movie. I spoke to Flame about 10 years ago, who is one of the films directors ,and she was not sure if it was the UFO club.
However there is UFO club footage in Dope Movie and ALSO you can see a steep stairway at the end of the Pink Floyd footage, with what is most likely the music of The Soft Machine.
I am not familiar with the alleged " Jack Moore " footage, however I spoke to, or rather e mailed Col Turner a while back, as there was a rumor of some footage, but that seemed to be just a rumor.

The documentary " It's so far out it's way down " also has some footage of Pink Floyd playing Matilda Mother at the UFO club as well. Would be nice if they have the raw footage, but the BBC and I believe that was Granada TV, all had the bad habit of recording over old footage. Top of the Pops for example.

Hoping more footage and music comes out soon. I suspect there are also audio recordings out there that have not been found as well. With some luck the Dope Movie outtakes may be found. That would be brilliant, as they san in the UK.

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by hallucalation » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:12 pm

I can confirm that someone overdubbed fake imitation of Interstellar Overdrive over youtube trailer of Die Jungen Nachtwandler. I even remember finding original source for that on some dubious boot but that was ages ago.
I have full film since about 2011 (straight from German TV master) and there's no Floyd music until their sequence comes on the screen. And yes, their gigs and improvisations were so chaotic that you can call any song with long improvisation as IO which in reality is different thing altogether.

I also spoke to Flame about 9 years ago and she didn't remember having any outtakes. In fact Dope on DVD was produced from inferior film dub negative

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Re: New Syd Footage?

Post by RichardB » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:08 pm

That is a bummer about the Nacht promo, at least I know now for sure.
Flame told me the same thing, though it sounds like she may be more optimistic now. I believe the footage was in her husbands position, I need to look for our e mail. It may very well exist, perhaps she did not want to give false hope and that may be why she was kind of dismissive about it back then. Also our friend here says that she does think it may exist. Would be a wonderful thing if so. We finally got an image of a black hole so I would not be surprised by anything. Clearly flame and her husband did film a lot of footage. Kind of hard to believe they would have through it all away. I am not expecting complete performances, though their is Soft Machine Music and they most likely filmed audio for the Pink Floyd footage as well. I bought the DVD from flame and she autographed it. As much as I love the film I was a bit horrified to find out that the music is not Pink Floyd on DOPE. So let's just pray that Flame and our friend kind find the outtakes, if they indeed exist.
There is most likely a whole Marquee Club performance from late 66 that was recorded. I have a book with the persons name that may have recorded it. The person who thought it was recorded saw him wearing headphone in the control booth during their performance, so he assumed he recorded the show, as he was know to do with different bands.
I spoke with Nancy Bacall several times about her CBC interview from 66, and she actually recorded a FULL version of Interstellar Overdrive, some great parts of it were on the CBC radio interview, but there was much more. Unfortunately she said that CBC could find no record of it as she attempted to retrieve the original master tapes. Maybe it will pop up though who knows.
Do you know of any other audio recordings that may be around?
BTW I am an outtake of Interstellar Overdrive and it is no doubt Pink Floyd. The quality is not too good. I found it on youtube a while back, I have heafd several fakes, but this one is no doubt real and from Abby Road, however it is not one of the two attakes that was recorded on the box set.
Also there is that interesting recording of Reaction in G that was used for the opening of The Beat Club, seems like there should be more of that too.
Overall I was very happy with the Pink Floyd box set, the early years, but I felt that more effort and research could have been done to dig out some new finds. Though the quality is outstanding, I assume you have the DVD, very well done and great stuff overall.