Nick not playing drums on "Remember a Day" is a bit like Charlie Watts not playing on "You Can't Always Get What You Want" (and I've heard a live version of that where he sounds lost).
Him not getting into shape for "Mother" and "Two Suns" does seem slightly different. It does seem that Roger exuded an atmosphere that stifled the other's input, perhaps not even intentionally. You can hear this in David's solos on TFC too, I've always felt they were way below his usual standard. You can hear how frustrated he was. The solo in "Your Possible Pasts" doesn't develop properly at all, those "grunts" are so uncharacteristic of DG...
In fact, Nick sounds stifled all the way back to WYWH. We know this was a hard album to record but I'm not sure I've ever heard much of his trademark "swing" on a PF studio recording again until 1993's TDB and TER.
Nick also tried to distance himself from Roger in this period by going out and recording sound effects. It does seem that his musical self-esteem was hurt by the 1979-1983 period, and that this was the reason why he didn't feel fit for playing on AMLOR. But of course not playing the drums much in the in-between-time played a part too.
space triangle wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:11 am
You mixed the two things Wolfpack. There is big difference between 'reunion' and 'guest appearances'. All you said was almost always guest appearances on a one song. 'Comfortable Numb', 'Remember a Day', 'Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun' and so on ... It was never any band reunion. But when it comes to Wright's participation in Gilmour's 'On An Island' tour, it makes a big difference. Wright was then officially a member of the band:
So, had Mason been involved in all this, it would have been the official reunion of Pink Floyd!
Also, Nick DID guest on the Royal Albert Hall gigs in 2006. It wasn't put on the DVD because David was afraid of it being touted as a PF reunion.
Personally, I think Nick would've only improved David's last tour, as I was really unhappy with how Steve DiStanislao handled "Money" (he did alright on most other songs though), which proves that Nick isn't so bad - you only notice him when he's missing.
But again, with Rick gone, it would've been the two remaining Floyd members (the same ones that were the band in 1987), and therefore not feasible for a solo tour.
Wolfpack wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:37 am
'Money'? His demo doesn't lie.
Neither do his 'The Wall' demos. Gilmour's demo (a rejected idea for a solo album) didn't get further than humming a tune over a guitar, to which Waters added the now famous words.
The difference between the Money demo and the finished version is so startling that David should have gotten credit - at least as an arranger (and many bands did operate that way - PF too on occasion). Even if the tune is basically the same, the feel is drastically different. I think Roger acknowledged that himself, saying his demo was "prissy". Once the other band members got less to contribute/arrange and the outcome was closer to Roger's initial vision, Pink Floyd became more "prissy" as a whole.
Kerry King wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:45 pm
Roger Waters' great songs are all very, very old. He radiates cold shafts of broken glass.
He sounds like a broken record!
Actually, I quite like "Each Small Candle" and think Amused to Death has some really good songs. But ITTLWRW really doesn't sound like something coming from a particularly musical brain.
David, on the other hand, still writes a decent tune - I think this has to do with him putting the melody first, not the lyrics.
Wolfpack wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:17 pm
And what would have been bad about an official reunion of Gilmour Floyd? Why did this Floyd version quit so soon, in 1994?
Gilmour fought for having the name Pink Floyd and made only two studio albums as such. It's little more than what Barrett Floyd did. ('Piper', three singles and the few tracks on 'Saucerful'.)
Agree that that was something that irked me a bit, especially since I liked those David-led albums. I guess one concern was not to have PF end with "The Final Cut", and to get back out on the road to play a cross-section of things. When David settled down with Polly, his desire to create new music seems to have slowed down. But there are still tracks from "On an Island" that could've gone on a new Floyd record.
Maybe he was also tired of the feud with Roger and wanted to simply carve out a career of his own.
Rather doing improvisation... Listen to Mason's 'The Grand Vizier's Garden Party'. Is the drumming that masterful?
But that was Nick on his own trying to come up with something. Within a band context, he could shine (ASOS).